Togo - interwar Czech dreams about African colony

[Rethel]

Charles IV. was both
1) King of Bohemia - and with this title he ruled over Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia and Lusatia
2) King and later Emperor of Holy Roman Empire - and in this title ruled (formally) over resting parts of the Empire

But Czechia was a part of the Empire, it wasn't an independent state.

[Mikula]

Holy Roman Empire was a cnglomerate of mumerous entites of various level of souverignity - Bohemian kings would be exempt from all future obligations to the Holy Roman Empire except for participation in the imperial councils.

[Rethel]

Holy Roman Empire was a cnglomerate of mumerous entites of various level of souverignity - Bohemian kings would be exempt from all future obligations to the Holy Roman Empire except for participation in the imperial councils.

And they were NOT independent entities.

United States is a conglomerat of states and
entities also, but no state is independent.

Do you want to tell me, that Czechia was
yet fully independent state at 1806?

[Mikula]

And they were NOT independent entities.

United States is a conglomerat of states and
entities also, but no state is independent.

Do you want to tell me, that Czechia was
yet fully independent state at 1806?

No, but you cannot compare situation in 19th century with 13th-15th centuries.

[Rethel]

No, but you cannot compare situation in 19th century with 13th-15th centuries.

I can, becasue in 13-15 Empire was more consolidate, than in 18th.

If the states would be independent, then Netherlands, Italian
states or Swiss would not have to fight for their independence,
and they would not have to gave it in 1648 becasue they would
be always independent. They werent. Czechia was since 890s
totaly dependent from Germany, and temporal more freedom
in some epocs, doesn;t change the thing, especially, when
the very Emperor was a King in Bohemia and did made the
Prague the capital of the whole Empire.

[Mikula]

I can, becasue in 13-15 Empire was more consolidate, than in 18th.

If the states would be independent, then Netherlands, Italian
states or Swiss would not have to fight for their independence,
and they would not have to gave it in 1648 becasue they would
be always independent. They werent. Czechia was since 890s.

Bohemia became a part of H.R. Empire since 11th century, I dont know why you mention 890s?

And as I wrote before: H.R. Empire in Middle Ages was not centralized-unified country.
Once I read a bonmot that
Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was not actually holy, nor Roman nor even Empire.
I can add tha it was not of German Nation, at all
totaly dependent from Germany, and temporal more freedom
in some epocs, doesn;t change the thing, especially, when
the very Emperor was a King in Bohemia and did made the
Prague the capital of the whole Empire.

[Rethel]

Bohemia became a part of H.R. Empire since 11th century, I dont know why you mention 890s?

Then first time czech princes made a homage to east Frankish king.
Constant dependence began since 930s and 50s.

And as I wrote before: H.R. Empire in Middle Ages was not centralized-unified country.
Once I read a bonmot that
Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was not actually holy, nor Roman nor even Empire.
I can add tha it was not of German Nation, at all
totaly dependent from Germany, and temporal more freedom
in some epocs, doesn;t change the thing, especially, when
the very Emperor was a King in Bohemia and did made the
Prague the capital of the whole Empire.

Fact remains - was not independent
In some times had much freedom, and maybe
even acted as would be independent, but was not.

[Bobby Martnen]

I miss the age of Imperialism.