Proto-Finnic ?

[Wild North]

[Ülev]

Do I look proto-Finnic?

[Ülev]

Do I look proto-Finnic?

ok, that was CD style joke, bump, learn and admire true Europeans

[Rethel]

Kuiva - the best word

I see there indoeuropeisms anyway.

And they are of course too caucasian.

They should look like that:

[Ülev]

Kuiva - the best word

I see there indoeuropeisms anyway.

And they are of course are to caucasian.

They should looks like that:

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sergiuslagrande Ole Martin Ronning • 2 years ago

If you go with my own personal theory; about the Out of Africa theory. I believe that N1c developed among pre-Caucasians/Europeans (white people) as well as pre-Mongoloids/Siberians; before both these races came into existence.

I believe that these haplogroups may have mutated in Central Asia as well as the Caucasus; long before races mutated and came into being; through the process of selection. (suggesting THEN that, all races Out of Africa may have been Negroid in Central Asia, at that time.)

One Negroid group migrated Westward and carried Y-DNA such as (I1, I2, G, R1a/R1b and to a lesser extent, N1c, T, J1, J2 and E-V13. Even rarer haplogroups like Q, C or L.) and became Caucasian; while the other Negroid group split, migrated Eastwards and became pre-Mongoloids, (carrying with them C, O, Q1a and to a lesser extent, N1, N1b, N1c. Even rarer haplogroups like R1.)

This would also better explain why a group of R1b males migrated back into Africa and mixed in with the Negroid natives in modern-day Cameroon; while having no European or fair-skin admixture.

While in example, at the same time, we see the Basque and Irish people carry different subclades of R1b; but are fair-skinned Europeans.

This would also explain why a subclade of E/E1b1b; called E-V13, seems to be white European in origin but is not found in all other races; and not even in Africa, where Haplogroup E is the most prevalent.

flbu Ole Martin Ronning • 8 months ago

Ole, Current N1c1-L550 was already well settled in Europe (NW Russia, baltic sea + Finland and east Sweden) in 2700-2900 YBP. Mongolians arrived in Europe at the earliest 1200 AD. The more genetic tests we run on various populations the better we will understand our history.

from here: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...1c_Y-DNA.shtml

or this:

Heppu Veikkonen Ole Martin Ronning • 9 days ago

Mongol invasion did not reach the territory of Finland. Vast areas in and around Finland were, and still are, just swamps (one third of the area), lakes, rivers, small rocky hills, or forests (everything that's not a swamp or water), and covered with a meter of snow during the winter which lasts for six months. There are no plains or other open types of terrain suitable for riding or grazing apart from rocky tundra in the very north. There were no roads back then, no villages to pillage. Finnish farms have always been far apart from each other.

Winter was in many ways the easier time move around because it solidified water bodies and swamps. However, harsh winters would have starved all the animals first and all the men afterwards. The only way to survive was to stay put, grow, hunt, and gather food, and produce tons of fodder for animals. Even in the late 17th century one third of Finns died because of bad harvests, so you can imagine how invading Mongols in completely alien environment could have managed. And no looting could have helped because there were so few to steal from.

Mongol invasion of Finland would've been pointless and impossible if it was ever tried, and it wasn't.

But the difficulty to move around explains very well why there are small isolated pockets of population with specific genetic traits in this region. That is a result of inbreeding when there's not much of genetic mixing in the area.

it means that R1 is this about what accuse N1c? lol

[Rethel]

it means that R1 is this about what accuse N1c? lol

N1c bearers are 3% of European population.
N1c speaking their own language - only 0,3% of european population.

N1c originates in Manchuria...
Lapps and Samojeds still are mongoloids...
The whitest among them (Finns) still have 10% mongoloid autosomal...
Language is similar in some ways to asian languages.

So... make your own conclusions...

And plese, stop spamming. You yourself are R1, and
you know, that this what you are showing is a bullshit.

[Ülev]

I am the truest Suomalainen and about all this autosomal and other genetics - it depend what we consider "european", and the facts are that Mongols had no mercy, survivors stay in the mountains or in far north snow lands

[Rethel]

I am the truest Suomalainen and about all this autosomal and other genetics - it depend what we consider "european", and the facts are that Mongols had no mercy, survivors stay in the mountains or in far north snow lands

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I see, Lisa now became a Finchuriophiless...

[Wild North]

And they are of course are to caucasian.

They should looks like that:

Well, who knows.. But I doubt..

[Wild North]

I don´t think the Proto-Finns looked like Mongols.