David Reich's summary of the population history of Europe

[Proto-Shaman]

I can. I think that these were Proto-Turks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingling



And their descendants were these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiele_people

The problem is that these tribes are Scythian. So you are contradicting your own theory.

[Danishmend]

I can. I think that these were Proto-Turks:

Speculations. There is no proof whatsoever. The Oghur-speaking branch of the Turks did not teleport themselves to Volga-Ural for sure, there must have been some connection between the Oghur and other Turkic branches, too bad that the Oghur branch ruins everything.

I agree with this map, this is also where I think that Turkic lands were in 400 BC.

Well, your opinion on this matter means nothing as you are not a linguist nor an archeologist. You are just a biased member (just like me) who lacks basic historical knowledge (IE tribes conquering Turkic tribes LEL).

Due to a lot of ANE admixture, and over 50% Yamnaya admixture.

And already Copper Age Barcin I1584 had 16% of Yamna admixture.

Kum4 might be half CHG half Anatolia_Neolithic too, it would make sense (bronze age CHG expansion). CHG has a good chunk of ANE.

Kum4
puntDNAL K12 Modern

Population
Sub-Saharan -
Amerindian 13.91
South_Asian -
Near_East -
Siberian -
European_HG -
Caucasus_HG 34.56
South_African_HG -
Anatolian_NF 51.54
East_Asian -
Oceanian -
Beringian -

[Proto-Shaman]

Danishmend do not provoke me, if you have arguments (which I think you don't) then discuss it! bedelini ödersin...

[Danishmend]

Danishmend do not provoke me, if you have arguments (which I think you don't) then discuss it!

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[Pennywise]

I can. I think that these were Proto-Turks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingling



And their descendants were these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiele_people

"Proto-Turk" is a loosely linguistic concept and a term, which is in itself disputed. You just googled it and found a totally irrelevant content with the subject and your arguments.

[Peterski]

Not only Gedmatch shows that Kum4 had Steppe admixture.

This sample was published in 2 scientific publications as well:

1) Omrak et al. 2016 - http://www.cell.com/current-biology/...2815%2901516-X

2) Hofmanová et al. 2016 - http://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886.full

Graph from Hofmanová - yellow is Yamnaya admixture, look at Kumtepe4 and 6:



See also pages 8-9 and map from Fig. 2. from this paper by David W. Anthony:

http://www.jolr.ru/files/(104)jlr2013-9(1-21).pdf



They surely did not expand into Central Anatolia immediately after that.

But Kumtepe is located near the Dardanelles, very close to the Balkans:



And settlers of Kumtepe B culture later established the city-state of Troy. So it means, that Trojans were Indo-European (probably part of Anatolian branch of IE). This is also in agreement with the fact, that Paris and Priam are considered by linguists to be Indo-European given names.

I guess that their language got extinct after the destruction of Troy by Greeks:

[Danishmend]

Not only Gedmatch shows that Kum4 had Steppe admixture.

You are a member of Anthrogenica as far as I know (Tomenable?), you must have read this thread. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...natolia-Or-not

Although I support the steppe/Yamnaya theory I'm skeptical about this sample's results and I have reasons to be so. Kum4's results are weird, every calculator says something else. On some calculators Kum4 comes up as 1/2 CHG 1/2 Anatolia_Neolithic whereas on others some Steppe-related components appear. The sample even scores 10% Pygmy on one of the calculators.

[Proto-Shaman]

Not only Gedmatch shows that Kum4 had Steppe admixture.

This sample was published in 2 scientific publications as well:

1) Omrak et al. 2016 - http://www.cell.com/current-biology/...2815%2901516-X

2) Hofmanová et al. 2016 - http://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886.full

Graph from Hofmanová - yellow is Yamnaya admixture, look at Kumtepe4 and 6:



See also pages 8-9 and map from Fig. 2. from this paper by David W. Anthony:

http://www.jolr.ru/files/(104)jlr2013-9(1-21).pdf



They surely did not expand into Central Anatolia immediately after that.

But Kumtepe is located near the Dardanelles, very close to the Balkans:



And settlers of Kumtepe B culture later established the city-state of Troy. So it means, that Trojans were Indo-European (probably part of Anatolian branch of IE). This is also in agreement with the fact, that Paris and Priam are considered by linguists to be Indo-European given names.

I guess that their language got extinct after the destruction of Troy by Greeks:

Troyans are 100% non-Indo-European. They are most likely proto-Turkic and had ties with Pelasgians and Franks.

[Proto-Shaman]

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Instead of arguing?

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[sevruk]

Don't say bullshit. He HAD very proghnatic jaw.
Look at profile photo




Russian anthropologists in Soviet times clasfied him as equatorial influenced. In this case equatorial means similar to South Indian population (Veddoid / Australoid), not SSA.

He was still recognized as a Caucasоid
http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=26661