David Reich's summary of the population history of Europe

[Norse]

Ok, so say that these yamnaya are 100% r1b and 100% brown eyed and darker skinned than any pure white and move to ireland.

So how do you become 90% light eyed from that? The best you can hope for is to kill off the whole population of local males and take all the females, while bring none of your own. At best that could make you 25% light eyed since brown is dominant. And it could never make you 100% light skinned.

Basically there are two big light skin genes almost everyone in europe has and definitely 100% of north europeans have. These guys have one of them at 100% levels and the other at 0% levels. They also have 100% 'wrong' mtdna. The same kind of mtdna the udmurts have btw.

It's completely impossible to go from yamnaya to modern white populations and preserve that huge level of r1b in places like ireland and basque territory with simple mixing. It would have to be selective. But we know it's not selective because we can test that and the time is way too short.

But at the same time corded ware is around and they are much whiter. It is also twice as big of an area.

Archaeologically speaking yamnaya and corded ware are at the exact same time. You could easily find that corded ware came first, they are so close. So it's not unreasonable to think that a similar find to the one for yamnaya could be found to the west if they actually ever dug there (and tore up a shitload of cities lol) and that this similar group more to the west would actually turn out to be fully white already. Which completely blows yamnaya idea out of the water.

And that makes more sense anyway because why would r1b leapfrog over r1a like that? Just to confuse us? And how would they do it and then get so much larger numbers than r1a in a short time? It doesn't even make any sense. And even if they can do all that how did they avoid taking any r1a with them on the way?

So anyway, this theory can be true, but the timing is off by 10k years if it is.

Modern day Scandinavians are closest genetically to Yamnaya, which again, does not make sense if Yamnaya were not light skin light eyes.

[Rethel]

yamna mother and daughter.png

[Rethel]

No Blue Eyes = Not European

Last Aryan on Apricity

Are you at least R1?

[Grab the Gauge]

LOL.

Yamnaya culture, Boldyrevo I, Kurgan I, Grave 1 - face reconstruction:



Two other males from Yamnaya culture:



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...a_cultdure.jpg



Balanovo culture (Eastern Corded Ware):



Eastern Hunter-Gatherers (Mesolithic Russia):

LOL, these reconstructions are complete bullshit. Yamnaya looked nothing like that. Yamnaya and PIE were East Asian Neo-Mongoloids. This retarded R1 shit needs to stop now.while you can still save face.

[Rethel]

Grab the Gauge,
according to you, everyone was either mongol either negro.

So, who was white?

[Pahli]

Grab the Gauge,
according to you, everyone was either mongol either negro.

So, who was white?

Iran_Neo / CHG banged EHG and created Yamnaya

[Norse]

Are you at least R1?

I think there is a good chance of that. I am both Germanic and Norwegian in family lineage. Since Norwegians are closest to Yamnaya today, then yes I consider myself Aryan, son of an Aryan, from a long line of Aryans, with the spirit of Arya.

[Poise n Pen]

Yamnaya are light skin and brown eyes. WHG have - supposedly - darker pigmentation and blue eyes. Thus the mixture of Yamnaya and WHG created the modern whites. Though I don't buy the darker pigmentation of WHG for a second, they are likely mixing up genes for hair with genes for skin.

The blue stuff in those charts is all HG, except on some where this "EHG" which is a made up population, is put into a "yamnaya component".

What the latest paper and basically every paper says, is that THE YAMNAYA THEMSELVES are the source of most the HG material in modern white people.

The problem is that they are both darker pigmented and even bigger thing is they don't have any light eyes or hair. Basically they are about half like modern whites but they completely lack the attributes that are the most obvious in northern europe today.

So basically it doesn't matter WHAT these papers say the origin is. Because the PAPERS THEMSELVES claim there must be this other magic population floating around invisible to make this happen. But this is the whole thing we are trying to explain in the first place, you can't rely on your conclusion as a premise in your own argument In essence this turns all this into masturbation. All of it can be discarded because they take two populations that don't have the right haplogroups or eye or hair or skin color or lactose tolerance and then claim that they are the origin of modern whites in essence "just because".



It's obvious at this point the modern white population exists already, it's just not here. It's in france or iberia or even british isles already by this point. We already have all the right mtdna in the west, and lactose persistance, just no y-dna.

If that's not the case then it means yamnaya leapfrogged over corded ware somehow, turned white, and then grew in numbers so much they pushed all the r1a hundreds of miles east. And at the same time corded ware turned white too. Without any exchange of y-dna between the r1a and r1b people except in a few small places.

[Rethel]

I think there is a good chance of that. I am both Germanic and Norwegian in family lineage. Since Norwegians are closest to Yamnaya today, then yes I consider myself Aryan, son of an Aryan, from a long line of Aryans, with the spirit of Arya.

How long?

[Rethel]

It's obvious at this point the modern white population exists already, it's just not here. It's in france or iberia or even british isles already by this point. We already have all the right mtdna in the west, and lactose persistance, just no y-dna.