IBERIAN AND LATIN AMERICAN MEMBERS, do you know the language of this song?

[B01AB20]

do you hear any words thats common in languages any of you speak? i thought i heard some spanish (esta noche) -- maybe in a north dialect. or maybe portuguese (noite), also some italian (cose) and even some french (apres) -- the last part. any words?

guerra.

[Tobi]

Not portuguese for sure

[Raikaswinþs]

corrected spanish to castilian. im sorry for this confusion.

so which language is it?

In fact they are misleading you (in a way).

Technically speaking Castilian is a dead language which died out in the middle ages. Whether it is the direct antecessor of modern Spanish is a hotly contested topic. Nobody will deny that it exerted great influence in the Spanish language but so did Aragonese, Leonese, Mozarabic and even Basque.

Spanish is likely the product of northern Romance dialects extending southwards while merging and absorbing vocabulary and idioms from the "reconquered" land (as well as the America's , later on)


So we Speak of Spanish as the LANGUAGE

then we have Castilian Spanish , which is the variety of Spanish spoken in Castile and different from Castilian, which was the medieval Romae of the medieval Kingdom of Castile, much like we have Andalusian Spanish or Argentinean Spanish which are again, geographical varieties with different influences but still mutually inteligible for the most part.

Now Catalan is a language of Spain, or a "Spanish language" if you prefer, but is not the same language we know as Spanish, thus we call it Catalan. In Catalonia they use the term "Castilian" for political reasons and that is the case of some Latin American countries as well, but in linguistics Castilian is a different (and extint) language altogether as explained above. I hope I made sense.

[Leo Iscariot]

Now Catalan is a language of Spain, or a "Spanish language" if you prefer, but is not the same language we know as Spanish, thus we call it Catalan. In Catalonia they use the term "Castilian" for political reasons and that is the case of some Latin American countries as well, but in linguistics Castilian is a different (and extint) language altogether as explained above. I hope I made sense.

I think it's all a matter of miscommunication.

Calling Catalan, Basque, and Galician "Spanish languages" sounds wrong because it seems like they're just trying to relegate them to being mere dialects of Spanish, which is obviously wrong. It would be better to call them Iberian languages instead.

[alnortedelsur]

I think it's all a matter of miscommunication.

Calling Catalan, Basque, and Galician "Spanish languages" sounds wrong because it seems like they're just trying to relegate them to being mere dialects of Spanish, which is obviously wrong. It would be better to call them Iberian languages instead.

I don't do it, to pretend they are dialects of modern Castilian-Spanish (widely known as just "Spanish"), but just that they are "Spanish languages", because they are languages spoken and originated in Spanish territory.

I refer to all those languages as "Spanish languages" in a strictly geographical sense, not in a linguistic sense, though they are (with the exception of Basque) all Latin Iberian languages, with strong similarities to each other.

And Basque is also a Spanish-Iberian language, in a strictly geographic sense, even though is a pre-Indo European language, very distinct from the rest of Iberian languages, and with very little relation to any other European languages.

[Damião de Góis]

It's not a romance language, much less an iberian one. I can't pick up any word.

[Cristiano viejo]

In fact they are misleading you (in a way).

Technically speaking Castilian is a dead language which died out in the middle ages. Whether it is the direct antecessor of modern Spanish is a hotly contested topic. Nobody will deny that it exerted great influence in the Spanish language but so did Aragonese, Leonese, Mozarabic and even Basque.

Spanish is likely the product of northern Romance dialects extending southwards while merging and absorbing vocabulary and idioms from the "reconquered" land (as well as the America's , later on)


So we Speak of Spanish as the LANGUAGE

then we have Castilian Spanish , which is the variety of Spanish spoken in Castile and different from Castilian, which was the medieval Romae of the medieval Kingdom of Castile, much like we have Andalusian Spanish or Argentinean Spanish which are again, geographical varieties with different influences but still mutually inteligible for the most part.

Now Catalan is a language of Spain, or a "Spanish language" if you prefer, but is not the same language we know as Spanish, thus we call it Catalan. In Catalonia they use the term "Castilian" for political reasons and that is the case of some Latin American countries as well, but in linguistics Castilian is a different (and extint) language altogether as explained above. I hope I made sense.

Cool (and long) story but saying that current Castilian language is not the real Castilian whatever but Spanish Castilian is one of the most humorous thing I have read lately.

[Raikaswinþs]

Cool (and long) story but saying that current Castilian language is not the real Castilian whatever but Spanish Castilian is one of the most humorous thing I have read lately.

the cjrrent language of Castile (you probably mean Castile the Old, our castile) is Spanish. Castilian died outbin the midle ages. Castilian and Spanish are not the same language. Castilian ceased to be spoken (like many other Romance dialects) when Spanisn was standarized. It was not a sudden process; on the contrary is was gradual.

Old Riojan and Navarrese languages, as well as mozarabic, also became extint and they are also "parents" of the Spanish language, butbyou would have a mich easier time understanding Italiam than Castiliam or Navarrese. Just pick up the Cantar de myo Cid and try to understand a couple lines.

You can call, I guess, Castiliam to Spanish , because the Spanish language evolved in tye Crown f Castile, but castile the crowm is not the same than Castile the kingdom. The Kingdom of Castile was made of Castilians that spoke Castilian. Castile the crown was made of Castilians, Galicians, Andakusiana, Basques, Mexicans,Peruvians, Canary Islanders etc. and they spoke a different language, one which is indeed the direct amcestor of modern Spanish.

El Quixote was written innOld Spanish. Los Infantes de Lara was written in Castilian.

[Raikaswinþs]

I think it's all a matter of miscommunication.

Calling Catalan, Basque, and Galician "Spanish languages" sounds wrong because it seems like they're just trying to relegate them to being mere dialects of Spanish, which is obviously wrong. It would be better to call them Iberian languages instead.

what it "sounds" like is irrelevznt.

They are languages of Spain , hence Spanish languages. It is nuancedn indeed but people who are allergic to nuance often have the stupidest opinions.

You have Castilian, the language of the medieval Kingdom of Castile, with capital in Burgos, that existed during the X to XIV centuries roughly as an independent nation.

Then you have Spanish, the language of Spain, which sometimes is called Castilian because it was expanded througout the territories of the Crown of Castile. The crown of Castile is one of the 4 countries (the other three being Aragon, Grananda and Navarre) that merged in the XV and early XVI centuries to form the Kingdom of Spain, and it was the one Spanish crown in charge of the New World Territories. When we say Castilian to name the Spanish language we are speaking of this language which is a different and not inteligible language with the one of the first text

Then you have the Spanish Romances: those are the Romances spoken in Spain, which include Catalan, Valencian, Asturian,Aranese ; Leonese, Aragonese, Extremaduran etc. Some of them belong to the Ibero-Romance branc , such as Spanish or Asturian ; others to the Gallo-Iberian (such as Aranese or Catalan) others are somewhat dispued, as Valencian (although most people agree it is another form of the same language spoken in Catalonia)

Then you have the languages which originated in Spain, some of which are not even Romance (like Basque, Erromintxela, which is the Basque gypsy pidjin) or pidjins like the Calo (Spanish Gypsy Romance)

Then you have the Spanish dialects spoken overseas

[Cristiano viejo]

the cjrrent language of Castile (you probably mean Castile the Old, our castile) is Spanish. Castilian died outbin the midle ages. Castilian and Spanish are not the same language. Castilian ceased to be spoken (like many other Romance dialects) when Spanisn was standarized. It was not a sudden process; on the contrary is was gradual.

Old Riojan and Navarrese languages, as well as mozarabic, also became extint and they are also "parents" of the Spanish language, butbyou would have a mich easier time understanding Italiam than Castiliam or Navarrese. Just pick up the Cantar de myo Cid and try to understand a couple lines.

You can call, I guess, Castiliam to Spanish , because the Spanish language evolved in tye Crown f Castile, but castile the crowm is not the same than Castile the kingdom. The Kingdom of Castile was made of Castilians that spoke Castilian. Castile the crown was made of Castilians, Galicians, Andakusiana, Basques, Mexicans,Peruvians, Canary Islanders etc. and they spoke a different language, one which is indeed the direct amcestor of modern Spanish.

El Quixote was written innOld Spanish. Los Infantes de Lara was written in Castilian.

That is like saying we are not true Castilians but Spanish Castilians, and that let me say Fernán González is an example of true Castilian

No. Current Castilian language is as Castilian as Old Castilian language. Different? sure. Equally Castilian? of course.