Greek genetic input through its colonies and settlement

[Sikeliot]

What is clear is that there were at least two "types" of Greeks in Sicily, based on where they plot today. People in Syracuse/Ragusa were Doric, and are today northeast-shifted next to most Sicilians, implying they were more Balkan-like than the Greeks in Messina/Catania, where the people today are similar to Dodecanese islanders and western Anatolian Greeks.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Before it was called Greece, Greece was known by the name of Pelasgia and also by the name of Aigialea.

The word Pelasgi means City Dwellers and Herodotus deliberately distinguishes it from sea coast dwellers since these are specifically called Aigialean-Pelasgoi (coast dwellers).

Pelasgians also were one of the Sea People. All the tribes which occupied Greece spoke Greek related dialects since they all knew that Pelas meant City, Gi meant land and Gialon meant Sea and Akri meant Edge since all used combination of this words as their tribal names.

The similarities between the names Hellenes, Enhelenes and Aigaileans and the location of these tribes makes it pretty certain that Hellenes was a corruptiom of the name Aigaileans. The further north you go the more the name is corrupted. The name "Pelasgialeans" was probably the original name of all these tribes and is probably the root of the name Palaichthon (Pel-Enhelene) the father of Pelasgus.

In modern Greek this become Pelasgi Leon or "People of the (land) of cities". In Egyptian the term is Pelast which in Hebrew is Philistines which resolves to "Polis ites" or "People of the cities".

The Pelasgi were everyone who dwelled in cities. The Hellenes according to Herodotus were nomadic so would not have qualified as Pelasgi except for the Ionians who were the Aigialean Pelasgi. Aigialea mean shore in Greek and Aigialeans means sea coast dwellers.

The names Anglia (ENGLAND) and Yalta also derive from Greek Aigialea.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE...BB%CF%8C%CF%82

The Old English were in fact speaking Ancient Greek and in fact the name for England or Agglia (or Anglia) is EXACTLY the same as the old name for Greece which was "Aigelia". Thus the so-called Angles were actually Ionian Greek colonists who as Herodotus tells us were called Aigelian Pelasgi.

The Aigelian Pelasgi spoke Arcadocypriot Greek but after the Ionians (who spoke a different dialect hellenic rather pelasgian greek) joined them they were named Ionians, after their eponymous founder Ion.

In fact the name John which is derived from the Greek name Ion as is preserved in the Scandinavian spelling of Jon and was spread thought Europe by the Myceneans who colonised Italy, Spain and went as far Hyperboria as well as becoming the rulers of Palestine. Thus Ion also became Juan (Wan), Wayne, Jean, Gene, Euan, Ioannis, Giannis, Janus and derives from the ancestral the name of the Greeks themselves who were known as Aigialean Pelasgi before the term Aigialean meaning Sea People was corrupted by the Hittites in Asia-Minor into Ahhiyawa which later became Yunni the namer by which the Greeks where known by the Egyptians and Persians.

Thanks for this interesting and helpful information.

I never knew about this before, but I like to learn something new each day. The Ancient Greek world is intriguing and I'm aware it's the cradle of western civilisation.

I've found this list of words in the English vocabulary that comes from ancient Greek: http://www.enhancemyvocabulary.com/w...ots_greek.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...f_Greek_origin

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Also Trojans were not Greek.

All the ancient historians and all the extant historical texts contradict you.

Archaeologists also confirm the presence of Cretan and Mycenaean artefacts at Troy, and the fact that its culture was essentially the same as that of Greece rather than that of the non-Greek cultures of Asia-Minor.

The Trojans are supported by all written historical sources to have been Cretan Greeks. And the artifacts found do support these facts. Troy was a Minoan Greek city (since 2200 BC) was a Minoan Greek and then a Mycenaean Greek city. The first palaces in Troy and Crete appear when the Greeks arrive.

Scamander the first king of Troy whi came from Crete, and Teucer who was of Athenian decent and thus the claim the Erichthonius of Athens and Troy were related, and of Dardanus who came to Troy from Crete or Arcadia via the Cretan colony of Samothrace and married Batia the Daughter of Teucer from whom all the Trojans were descended.

Asia-Minor was inhabited by Cretan Greeks in Dardania since 3000 BC, Minyan Greeks in Pamphylia since 1250 BC, Achaean Greeks in Lydia since 1250 BC, Phrygian-Armenians to the east of them since 2200 BC, Thracians in the Hellespont since about the same time, Medes in Kurdistan since 2200 BC, Aeolian Greeks in Mysia and Ionian Greeks in Caria since 1070 BC and Assyrians in Cappadocia since 800 BC.

Troy was an independent Greek city-state. Just because it went to war with other Greeks states it doesn't make it non-Greek. By the same logic because Sparta went to war with Athens the Athenians were not Greek either. The Trojans worshipped the same Greek Gods and they took Greek wives. EVERY shred of archaeological evidence from Troy show GREEK MYCENAEAN. There are tons of Minoan and Myceanean artefacts there.

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What is clear is that there were at least two "types" of Greeks in Sicily, based on where they plot today. People in Syracuse/Ragusa were Doric, and are today northeast-shifted next to most Sicilians, implying they were more Balkan-like than the Greeks in Messina/Catania, where the people today are similar to Dodecanese islanders and western Anatolian Greeks.

The "Western Anatolian Greeks" -before Ionians colonize the place - were the Minoans. Western Asia Minor was Minoan. Lycia was founded by Sarpedon the brother of Minos in 1410 BC (Jerome Chronicon) and was named after Lycos the son of Pandion II in 1270 BC. The fact that Linear A was found as far up as Bulgaria also corroborates the account of the Trojans being originally from Crete and then moving to Samothrace before taking the kingship of Troy.

Minoan script found in Bulgaria
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=47819

Les Troyens étaient des Grecs !
Entretien avec Jean Faucounau
http://www.portique.net/spip.php?article54

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Everything Greek historians have written has proved to be extremely accurate. Troy was destroyed lots of times and the archaeological dates for the times of the destruction and the times of rebuilding correspond EXACTLY to the same date that the Greek historians said these events occured.

For example accrding to Apollodorus and others the suburb of Ilium was built by Ilus in about 1330 BC. This is EXACTLY when the archaeology dates the building of the outer suburb of Troy to. Herakles destroyed Troy in about 1240 BC which is exactly when the archaeological evidence show that Troy was destroyed and following that the next destruction occurred in 1183 BC which was the date of the end of the Trojan War and is corroborated precisely by the archaeology.

The names of the Teucers, Achaeans, Danai, Pelasgians and Spartans are all corroborated by Hittite and Egyptian inscriptions at the time that Greek historians said they were first recognised as tribal groups.

[Albobalboa]

Thanks for this interesting and helpful information.

I never knew about this before, but I like to learn something new each day. The Ancient Greek world is intriguing and I'm aware it's the cradle of western civilisation.

I've found this list of words in the English vocabulary that comes from ancient Greek: http://www.enhancemyvocabulary.com/w...ots_greek.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...f_Greek_origin

If you wish to learn, read books from serious historians. Otherwise you'll be taught mythological history by Raine.

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I don't care too much what the ancient Greeks said. Especially when it is just a big jumble of semi-legendary tribe names, and mythological references etc. But the ancient Greeks did define themselves in opposition to Trojans and other Asiatics, and we can just judge by that. But I know it's a modern Greek myth that the Trojans were Greek. The truth is we don't know exactly who they are, the closest consensus is that they were Luwians.

Luwia was nowhere near Troy.

The Trojans were Teucrian Dardanians and the region they occupied was called Dardania. The Luwians have nothing to do with Troy or the region of Dardania.

Of course you don't care what Greek historians have written. You'd rather ignore all historical accounts and archaeological finds and believe what crapipedia and revisionist bigots write who try to pass themselves of as historians and never read an ancient text in their lives. The very same bigots that deny the Pelasgians, Macedonians and every other Greek tribe being Greek.

Can you show me a historical reference that corroborates the Trojans being Luwians?

My references are hardly mythical they are taken from historical accounts which are corroborated also by archeology and Egyptian, Roman and British historical accounts.. The Trojans were known to the Egyptians as Tuecers. The Inscription of Ramses III refers to the Teukrians who were
 descended form Teucer to the son of Hessione the daughter of Laomedon king 
of Troy by Telamon. The Inscription of Ramses III corroborates Greek historical texts including
 Euripides Helen and Herodotus to the letter and the Merneptah Stela was the 
basis of Herodotus account of Paris flight to Egypt. An understanding of the movements of Aegean peoples in the centuries/millenia leading up to the Trojan War can be obtained from a reading of Apollodoros, including the origin of the Trojan name. All the evidence indicates that the Minoan culture in Crete and Troy was indigenous Greek culture.

[Balthier]

https://youtu.be/1DNyA90f_aw watch this from beginning to end

[Dianatomia]

What is clear is that there were at least two "types" of Greeks in Sicily, based on where they plot today. People in Syracuse/Ragusa were Doric, and are today northeast-shifted next to most Sicilians, implying they were more Balkan-like than the Greeks in Messina/Catania, where the people today are similar to Dodecanese islanders and western Anatolian Greeks.

Thucydides said that most of Greece during the time of the Trojan war was barbarian and that there were many population movements in the centuries that followed. Only after the dust settled was Greece entirely Hellenic. Many of these pre-Greeks migrated overseas to Western Anatolia. Also consider that there has been interaction between Ionian Greeks and mainland Greeks for 2800 years. It could be that the classical Greeks of the mainland were more Balkanic or more Steppe related than the Greeks of before. The Balkan element in Southern Italy may be deluded because the people there were similar to the pre-Greeks.

West Anatolia, Greece and South Italy were one genetic continuum. Migrations form the Balkans from the early Bronze Age until the Middle Ages derailed that continuum on the Greek mainland somewhat.