South English have much of Mediterranean ancestry that is neither Celtic nor Germanic

[Sikeliot]

Southern English have the most Germanic input in Britain, but they also have the most Mediterranean influence of all Brits or Irish. I think it is odd how people focus on Irish being Iberian-like when southern England has more of such influences than any part of Ireland does.

[Fantomas]

In other words, both Iron Age Celts and Anglo-Saxon immigrants were more Northern genetically than are modern English.

This is also obvious if you compare them in any of Gedmatch calculators, for example Eurogenes K15:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/1...s-roundup.html

1) Hinxton Iron Age Celtic Briton - 38% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

2) Hinxton Early Anglo-Saxon - 41.5% North Sea / 28.5% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

3) Modern Englishman from Kent - 35.5% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 11.5% Mediterranean

Modern Englishman scores almost two times more of Mediterranean than both Pre-Roman Celt and Anglo-Saxon immigrant.

Also North Sea admixture is lower in modern English from southern England than in both Celts and original Anglo-Saxons.

Hinxton 4 (Celtic) - 34,8% North Sea/ 31,8% Atlantic/ 5.7% East Euro/ 6,3% West Med/ 4,7% West Asian
Hinxton 2 (Saxon) - 43% North Sea/ 28,5% Atlantic/ 12,4 East Euro/ 5% West Med/ 2.8% West Asian

[Fantomas]

Though the Welsh do have a lot of overlap with Bretons who seem to be a composite of some earlier DNA (the light blue) and something that came later (the dark blue):

This is the clear example that "West German" is not original Germanic component. and along with French, Belgian and Spanish ones illustrated pre-Germanic or Celtic ancestry.

[Sebbo]

Study linked below says that both Pre-Roman Celts and Early Anglo-Saxon immigrants had less of Southern European ancestry than modern English, which means that modern English are not just a Celtic-Germanic mix but that some other admixture is pulling them genetically towards the South:

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...55855.full.pdf

Excerpt:



In other words, both Iron Age Celts and Anglo-Saxon immigrants were more Northern genetically than are modern English.

This is also obvious if you compare them in any of Gedmatch calculators, for example Eurogenes K15:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/1...s-roundup.html

1) Hinxton Iron Age Celtic Briton - 38% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

2) Hinxton Early Anglo-Saxon - 41.5% North Sea / 28.5% Atlantic / 6.5% Mediterranean

3) Modern Englishman from Kent - 35.5% North Sea / 30% Atlantic / 11.5% Mediterranean

Modern Englishman scores almost two times more of Mediterranean than both Pre-Roman Celt and Anglo-Saxon immigrant.

Also North Sea admixture is lower in modern English from southern England than in both Celts and original Anglo-Saxons.

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This Southern admixture must be either from Roman times or from Post-Anglo-Saxon (e.g. Norman and later) times.

Are there any other English and British populations with Eurogenes K15 analysed to compare? Thanks for an interesting post!

[Norb]

Are there any other English and British populations with Eurogenes K15 analysed to compare? Thanks for an interesting post!

if you want, ill post mine?

[Norb]

Are there any other English and British populations with Eurogenes K15 analysed to compare? Thanks for an interesting post!

eurogenes eutest v2 k15 admixture proportions.JPG

[Sebbo]

if you want, ill post mine?

Sure!

[Norb]

Sure!

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[Oneeye]

I don't get why it is notable that modern populations have more genetic variety than in the past. Sailors and port cities have been around for a very long time.

[Sebbo]

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Cheers, where were your parents and grand-parents born?