Are Pashtuns closer to North Indians or Kurds?

[MS85]

What a bunch of bullshit, Old Persian, Avestan and Median were Synthetic languages, similar to modern day Balto-Slavic languages before they evolved into their respective Middle Iranian era (Middle Persian, etc)

I'll give you links to old Persian and Avestan texts (latinized) and you won't understand much of them, given that these languages have evolved into our modern day dialects, most of them have lost their cases and inflictions, Persian doesn't even have genders anymore.

Modern West Iranian languages evolved in West Asia, that's for sure. West Iranian was NEVER spoken in Central Asia.

Modern Persian is not ergative language but, Middle Persian was still an ergative language. You can loose the ergativity over time, but you can never regain it anymore. That is my whole point!

There was ergativity in Sanskrit and in the ancient Avestan. There is still ergativity in Kurdish and a lot modern Indic languages.

https://www.academia.edu/939047/On_t...e_from_Avestan


Iranic langauges are closer to the Armenian and Greek than to Balto-Slavic languages. From GRAECO-ARYAN connection. The only similarity is that Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic are called 'satem' nonsense. But it is saying nothing at all.

[MS85]

An Interpretation of Split Ergativity in Indo-Iranian Languages

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...nian_Languages


On the Origin of the Ergative Construction in Iranian: Evidence from Avestan

https://www.academia.edu/939047/On_t...e_from_Avestan


The origin of the Indo-Iranian ergative construction

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4084879...n_tab_contents


Ergativity in Iranian

https://www.academia.edu/15321950/Ergativity_in_Iranian


Ergativity in Indo-Aryan

https://www.ling.uni-konstanz.de/typ...Indo-Aryan.htm


An Interpretation of Split Ergativity in Indo-Iranian Languages

https://benjamins.com/catalog/dia.6.2.03bub


Ergative and Pre-ergative Patterns in Indo-Aryan as Predications of Localization.

https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/...49874/document


etc. etc.

[Leto]

Here are my fathers results:

1 Caucasus 37.67
2 Gedrosia 23.5
3 North_European 10.58
4 Southwest_Asian 7.74
5 Atlantic_Med 6.17
6 South_Asian 5.4
7 East_Asian 4.34
8 Siberian 3.11
9 Northwest_African 1.21
10 Southeast_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.13
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 9.38
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 9.98
4 Iranians (Behar) 10.61
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 11.69
6 Turks (Behar) 12.35
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.72
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 14.09
9 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.47
10 Lezgins (Behar) 18.79
11 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 18.98
12 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 19.12
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 19.61
14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.9
15 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 20.16
16 Armenian (Dodecad) 20.52
17 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 20.78
18 Lebanese (Behar) 21.05
19 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 21.48
20 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 45.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.03
2 74.7% Turks (Behar) + 25.3% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.03
3 53.1% Armenian (Dodecad) + 46.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.08
4 55.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 44.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.27
5 76.4% Turks (Behar) + 23.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.55
6 54.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 45.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.73
7 78.8% Turks (Behar) + 21.2% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.89
8 68.3% Iranians (Behar) + 31.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.95
9 79.9% Turks (Behar) + 20.1% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 3.98
10 53.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 46.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4
11 75.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 24.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.32
12 50.4% Armenians (Behar) + 49.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.33
13 63.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 36.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 4.53
14 63.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 36.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.58
15 65.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 34.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 4.62
16 63.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 36.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 4.63
17 90.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 9.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 4.71
18 72% Turkish (Dodecad) + 28% Pathan (HGDP) @ 4.72
19 89.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 10.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.77
20 90% Iranian (Dodecad) + 10% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 4.8

Your father's European percentage might be inflated by Oghuz Turkic ancestry, Kurds are not 7-8% East Eurasian as your father. See the Anatolian Turks and Armenians/Assyrians for example - the latter have little to no Northern European while Turks can be as much as 15% (excluding Balkan Turks).

[Pahli]

Umm, Old Persian and Avestan were Synthetic languages, I repeat again, Synthetic, their grammatical structure, sentencing were way different than it is now for modern Kurdish and Persian, why are we even arguing this?



https://www.academia.edu/37264419/Pe...estan_Language

[Pahli]

- double post -

[MS85]

Umm, Old Persian and Avestan were Synthetic languages, I repeat again, Synthetic, their grammatical structure, sentencing were way different than it is now for modern Kurdish and Persian, why are we even arguing this?

Dude, morphology of words has nothing to do with the ancient grammar. It is just how you do put words together, lol. Nothing special about it. Many languages (like Dutch) do have it and it is not really specific to any language/region. Morphology is not really related in any region. It can occur everywhere. Kurdish is very close to the ancient Avestan. Kurdish has still got ergativity left from ancient proto-Indo-Iranian while Persian lost it in the more recent times.

I was talking about more deep fundamental grammar like ERGATIVITY! Ergativity doesn't exist in the Steppes either in Balto-Slavic or in Mongoloid/Altaic/Turkic/Finno-Ugric languages

Ergativity is native to West Asia. Proto-Indo-Iranian was an ergative language and therefore it was by nature native to West Asia.

[Pahli]

Dude, morphology of words has nothing to do with the ancient grammar. It is just how you do put words together, lol. Nothing special about it. Many languages (like Dutch) do have it and it is not really specific to any langiage/region

Morphology is not really related in any region. It can occur everywhere. Kurdish is very close to the ancient Avestan. Kurds has still got ergativity from proto-Indo-Iranian while Persian lost it in the more recent times.


I was talking about more deep fundamental grammar like ERGATIVITY! Ergativity doesn't exist in the Steppes in Balto/Slavic and Mongoloid/Altaic/Turkic/Finno-Ugric languages

Ergativity is native to West Asia. Proto-Indo-Iranian was an ergative language and therefore it was by nature native to West Asia.

Are you fucking kidding me? Kurdish is nothing alike Avestan, Avestan grammar is too complex for a Turd like you to comprehend, its more similar to languages like Lithuanian and Russian in terms of grammar, not fucking Kurdish. Proto-Indo-Iranian was in the Steppes / Northern Central Asia, nowhere near West Asia you opium addict.



They don't even sound alike and I speak Kurdish, I can confirm this. The only similarities are some simple words that Kurdish has derived from Avestan but the list isn't very long at all.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Categ..._Proto-Iranian

53 recorded words, there is probably some more but still not a considerable amount. Imagine there's thousands of words in Kurdish, it only makes out a fraction of the vocabulary.

[Leto]

Both Persian and Kurdish are undoubtedly Indo-European languages, no reason to debate it.

[MS85]

Are you fucking kidding me? Kurdish is nothing alike Avestan, Avestan grammar is too complex for a Turd like you to comprehend, its more similar to languages like Lithuanian and Russian in terms of grammar, not fucking Kurdish. Proto-Indo-Iranian was in the Steppes / Northern Central Asia, nowhere near West Asia you opium addict.

Never heard such a retard remark!

Avestan was an ERGATIVE language. Avestan was actually proto-Eastern Iranian. It had NOTHING to do with Balto-Slavic!


Indo-Iranian (like ancient Avestan and Sanskrit) are even much closer to Greek and Armenians (from Graeco-Aryan connection) than to Balto-Slavic!


Of all Kurdish dialects Gorani DIALECT of Kurdish is very, very close to Avestan language. You are IGNORANT as hell. You must be a real Assyrian, very ignorant about Kurdish history and Kurdish language!

[Pahli]

Both Persian and Kurdish are undoubtedly Indo-European languages, no reason to debate it.

That's not the point, the moron is claiming modern Kurdish (which has lost many of its Indo-European linguistic features that were in Proto-Iranian, Avestan and Old Persian) as "pure Aryan language", my ass.

He is circle jerking and its only about "Kurds", "Kurdish" ... How can you have a normal discussion with an obsessive narcissist?