France responds to economic crisis with General Strike

[stormlord]

I'm not a fan of this somewhat reductionist and populist "screw the evil bankers" stuff that is spouted by a bunch of people who frankly understand very little of how the markets operate or even the fundamentals of international finance. Should the banks that have received public money pay bonuses? No Should they be chased around by ignorant plebs? No.

The way capitalism works, the way it's been accepted by people who were unquestioning when they could have all their consumer goodies and endless credit but now disingenuosly cry foul ( cough..see above..cough) when things blow up, is that companies seek profit. You can't blame companies for acting precisely as they always have, they don't have a duty to be "responsible", that duty lies with the government and the regulators they put in place; both groups have failed profoundly. When you attack "greedy bankers" you're playing right into the hands of men like Obama and Brown, who voted through piece after piece of legislation that let this happen, and sat blithely ignoring warnings for years, but who now try to shift the blame from themselves (people responsible for protecting the people) on to bankers (who are responsible only for themselves). It's not fair and it's not right, and anyone who can think with more subtlety than a twelve year old can see that.

[Sol Invictus]

So the banks are not a pack of criminal control freaks who engineered this crisis with the government in order to take away more of our freedoms and destroy our sovereignty? Oh those poor bankers.. We've just misunderstood them..! Nevermind the fact their grabbing trillions from the people and bailouts sucking the treasuries dry from all of this.. pfff.. Get real.

[Revenant]

Corporate ethics are the laws of the land nothing more. Who ever writes the laws takes responsibility for larger social consequences at the end of the day.

Those laws should be stretched and tested to the nth degree to bleed all's worth out of them for the Corporation. If they aren't, then Senior Management isn't doing their job.

[Sol Invictus]

Corporate ethics are the laws of the land nothing more. Who ever writes the laws takes responsibility for larger social consequences at the end of the day.

Those laws should be stretched and tested to the nth degree to bleed all's worth out of them for the Corporation. If they aren't, then Senior Management isn't doing their job.

Oh jeez! Excuse me..! I guess that somehow makes it 'ethical' in the non-corporate world, while the rest of us line up at soup kitchens and bread-lines, attending work/labour camps relying completely on the government, and not on our own labour .. But that's ok, because the Banks are just doing their jobs, right?

[stormlord]

So the banks are not a pack of criminal control freaks who engineered this crisis with the government in order to take away more of our freedoms and destroy our sovereignty? Oh those poor bankers.. We've just misunderstood them..! Nevermind the fact their grabbing trillions from the people and bailouts sucking the treasuries dry from all of this.. pfff.. Get real.

ooh! ! Genuine hoi polloi! You get the pitchforks, I'll get the torches.

[Sol Invictus]

You get the pitchforks, I'll get the torches.

Now you're talking.. Sure beats your previous sheepish passivity passing this off as 'buisness as usual'.. Though I'm sure you've been told to beat your swords into ploughsheers, and you're just being a good boy doing as you're told.. This isn't the reality of present circumstances brother..

Have some rep..

[Revenant]

Oh jeez! Excuse me..!

Why, what'd you do?

I guess that somehow makes it 'ethical' in the non-corporate world,

It makes it legal. In a Liberal Democracy the Government and Big Business have their hands in each others pockets and on the way down to the wallet pocket scratch each others backs.

while the rest of us line up at soup kitchens and bread-lines, attending work/labour camps relying completely on the government, and not on our own labour .. But that's ok, because the Banks are just doing their jobs, right?

You're blaming the system the Banks are taking advantage of on them, they didn't technically create it they just take advantage of it. Maximize value/profit for shareholders and keep it in the black is the bottom line. It isn't about charity, social conscience or anything else like that.

[Sol Invictus]

It makes it legal. In a Liberal Democracy the Government and Big Business have their hands in each others pockets and on the way down to the wallet pocket scratch each others backs.

Exactly.. But you seem to be supporting all this by somehow justifying it as 'legal', so it's alright? I guess you think it's not OK to go out and film public property with a camera because it's 'illegal'... Just because they pass laws that make things ok for them, at the expense of us, doesn't mean we should sit around like morons and let them rape us and drive our countries into the dirt..

You're blaming the system the Banks are taking advantage of on them, they didn't technically create it they just take advantage of it. Maximize value/profit for shareholders and keep it in the black is the bottom line. It isn't about charity, social conscience or anything else like that.

The Banks MADE the system to justify their actions .. This isn't about maximizing profit, it's about destroying buisnesses and leaving you broke as a pile of shit and leaving you at their mercy.. Do some research on the Bilderbergs, Rockafellers, the IMF, and World Bank... Have fun..

[Revenant]

Exactly.. But you seem to be supporting all this by somehow justifying it as 'legal', so it's alright?

For the Banks, yes it is. Government lets them get away with it, so until they change things status quo remains. Apart from those who do not carry out their job descriptions and those who under perform I have no problems with Bankers.

I guess you think it's not OK to go out and film public property with a camera because it's 'illegal'... Just because they pass laws that make things ok for them, at the expense of us, doesn't mean we should sit around like morons and let them rape us and drive our countries into the dirt..

You're being a bit melodramatic here, I think you're onto it though. We sit round like morons. WE.

The Government is the problem (also the morons who love our Govts) not corporations that owe no allegiance to nation states over and above the law. I've explained what they're about already. You could look into Corporate law in the country you are interested in, if you like.

The Banks MADE the system to justify their actions .

No they didn't, they had interests for sure, but they didn't sign the laws in.

[Sol Invictus]

For the Banks, yes it is. Government lets them get away with it, so until they change things status quo remains. Apart from those who do not carry out their job descriptions and those who under perform I have no problems with Bankers. .

Oh yeah, their just doing their jobs, creating money out of nothing that has no tangible existance outside the banks that exist as nothing but data. Meanwhile not one person in a hundred grasps the fact that our governments have all permitted private banks to create over 95 percent of our money supply bringing huge profits to them and endless debt to us.. But this is ok, because they say it's legal so we should do what we're told, right?

"It is well that the people of the nations do not understand our banking and monetary system, for
if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

-Henry Ford, Founder & President of Ford Motor Company

You're being a bit melodramatic here, I think you're onto it though. We sit round like morons. WE.

If speaking realistically is melodramatic than I would have to agree with that..

Seriously, do some research before you're so quick to accept what you see on the nightly news..

You'll quickly change your way of thinking when they issue you IOUs instead of a paycheck..