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Thread: Should Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Rio Grande Do sul be 1 country?

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    Río Grande do Sul + Uruguay + Región Pampeana de Argentina

    Eso sería lo más cercano a un etnoestado en esa parte de Sudamérica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch'aska View Post
    Río Grande do Sul + Uruguay + Región Pampeana de Argentina

    Eso sería lo más cercano a un etnoestado en esa parte de Sudamérica.
    Yo incluiría toda la Argentina. De todos modos no creo que a los brasucas del sur les haga mucha gracia ese proyecto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camargo View Post
    I can't speak for Chile or Argentina etc., but for the parts in Brazil, I agree with some statements made before here in the thread, while disagreeing with others.

    In Brazil, Paraguay resembles more Mato Grosso do Sul and the interior of Paraná and São Paulo states.

    In these three states, a cold form of yerba-maté is very much consumed, called tereré, just like in Paraguay. The sertanejo music of São Paulo was very much influenced by paraguayan guaranías since at least the 1940s (in the earlier decades, tropeiros from São Paulo and Mato Grosso do Sul were already influenced by the paraguayan music while droving livestock in the Paraguay/Paraná River basin).

    São Paulo was well connected to colonial Paraguay at least until the 18th century (Paraguayans were among the first settlers of Sorocaba, an important city in the interior of São Paulo since the colonial era, just to give an example). Nowadays, in the frontier, a lot of people from Paraguay live in Foz do Iguaçu (Paraná) and Ponta Porã (Mato Grosso do Sul), and a lot of people from both cities also live in their Paraguayan counterparts (Ciudad del Este and Pedro Juan Caballero, respectively).

    Also the climate is similar, bordering between subtropical and tropical climates, with average annual temperatures ranging from 20 to 23 degrees celsius (Paraná is subtropical and colder, but the Northern and Western regions are more akin to São Paulo, Mato Grosso do Sul and Paraguay).

    About Rio Grande do Sul, Etelfrido already said interesting things, and Southern Farmer said what I was about to say: the pampean region is very similar to its Uruguayan and Argentinian counterparts. Most gauchos I've met speak very kindly about Uruguay due to the similarities in both sides of the frontier. Of course, the state is more similar to Santa Catarina (which the gaúchos were deeply involved in the settlement of a large part), but it is not out of place at all to say that their culture is very related to the other pampean regions.
    São Paulo was also influenced by the thousands of enslaved Guaranis brought from the Jesuitic missions in Guayrá.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafrense View Post
    São Paulo was also influenced by the thousands of enslaved Guaranis brought from the Jesuitic missions in Guayrá.
    Yes, they were. Good point.

    Some estimatives gives us about 60.000 guarani captives taken by the paulistas in that period (early 1600s). This was the account by contemporary priests such as Lourenço de Mendonça and Ruiz de Montoya. As historian John Monteiro says, between 1600 and 1729, inventories made in São Paulo region give us a proportion of 24,3 amerindian captives for each paulista owner (most of these captives had guarani background). It is impossible that such a high amount of guaranis didn't bring their influence to this region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labriego View Post
    Yo incluiría toda la Argentina. De todos modos no creo que a los brasucas del sur les haga mucha gracia ese proyecto.
    Por que a toda la Argentina? Yo como uruguaya no tendría interés de incluir la region norte de Argentina, por ejemplo. A muchos brasileros del sur les gustaría el proyecto, ya que varios preferirían crear un estado por fuera de Brasil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    Por que a toda la Argentina? Yo como uruguaya no tendría interés de incluir la region norte de Argentina, por ejemplo. A muchos brasileros del sur les gustaría el proyecto, ya que varios preferirían crear un estado por fuera de Brasil.
    Partiendo de la base de que todo esto es simplemente por entretenimiento y nunca nada de esto va a ocurrir, es como si yo te dijera que como argentino no tengo interés en incluir tal o cual parte de Uruguay.

    En cuanto a los brasileños del sur, algunos quieren la independencia, pero no su anexión a otro estado.
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    Argentina is somewhat similar to Paraguay and Uruguay, Southern Part of RS kinda resembles both, but the rest of state, SC and PR are very diferent, Chile also is similar to Argentina but not much to Paraguay & Uruguay, much less to RS so i dont think its would work, genetically all that area its pretty similar but culturally diverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labriego View Post
    Partiendo de la base de que todo esto es simplemente por entretenimiento y nunca nada de esto va a ocurrir, es como si yo te dijera que como argentino no tengo interés en incluir tal o cual parte de Uruguay.

    En cuanto a los brasileños del sur, algunos quieren la independencia, pero no su anexión a otro estado.
    Yo pensaría lo mismo, pero he conocido varios sur-brasileros que me dijeron que les encantaría unirse a Argentina y Uruguay. Y no estoy hablando de gente en estos foros sino gente real y normal, que he conocido a travez de mi trabajo, en boliches etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    Yo pensaría lo mismo, pero he conocido varios sur-brasileros que me dijeron que les encantaría unirse a Argentina y Uruguay. Y no estoy hablando de gente en estos foros sino gente real y normal, que he conocido a travez de mi trabajo, en boliches etc.
    No lo dudo, pero tampoco creo que se pueda tratar de una opinión mayoritaria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labriego View Post
    No lo dudo, pero tampoco creo que se pueda tratar de una opinión mayoritaria.
    No, seguro, pero si hablando con randoms me lo dijeron en mas de una ocasión es que tampoco puede ser tan raro. Igual no tengo idea como es la interna general de los sur brasileros, toma con todo con pinzas.

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