Montenegrins are not Sarbi

[cosmoo]

Montenegrins have a higher Southern European input than Serbs and are more "native" than FYROM people, eastern people from Brda clans have almost exclusively E1b1b which comes from Slavizied Albanians from the expansiom of Berisha e Kuqe branch of Berisha clan in the early medieval times

No. Where did you get this from? Retarded Eupedia maps? Maciamo said himself he had no data at all for Montenegro (and Macedonia), so he just put averages of southern Bulgarians+Albanians for us. He's truly retarded faggot.
There are no ethnic Montenegrins in Gedmatch or Dodecad bases. There are a few from 23andme Stefan Dusan posted here on TA a while ago, and from it you can clearly see that Montenegrins plot much more northern than Albanians, just as much as Serbs, but much more western than Serbs. So, if anything, we have less native input than both Albanians and Serbs.
That is also clearly seen in phenotypes: from all Balkanites we stick out the most phenotypically. Our native Balkan input is smaller than from anyone else's around here (northernmost Croats are an exception).

My congratulations to Djukanovic for successfully securing a fourth term.

Djukanovic considered himself a Serb for a long, long time. He started predenting he considers himself Montenegrin just to separate us from Serbia (so that he can get more dirty money only for himself), but in his soul he still believes in Serbdom of Montenegrins. Just FYI...

[Murri]

You voted for Milo, right?

I didnt vote at all

[Laberia]

Peoples are more than just genes. Language is very important, when classifying European ethnicities.

I totally agree with you. The main feature of a nation or ethnic group is the language. So, i don`t take seriously this genetic theories or even this legends of the older clans.
Said this, my opinion is that the today Montenegrins are slavised Albanians with some vlach input. And i invite you to read this document:

1332
Anonymous:
Initiative for Making the Passage

The 'Directorium ad passagium faciendum', which can be translated as 'Initiative for making the passage', is a mediaeval Latin manuscript (also available in an early French translation) attributed alternatively to a monk called Burcard (Brocardus Monacus / Frère Brochard) or to one William Adam (Guillelmus Adam / Guillaume Adam) (1).

On the Kingdom of Rascia and how it could easily be conquered

I would like to come back to the Kingdom of Rascia to show how it could be conquered. Indeed, the desire to invade is all that is needed for the country to be taken. In order to make this clear, I would like to present a number of brief suggestions for an invasion and a number of easily fulfilled conditions for a conquest.

The said kingdom has few if any fortifications at all. All that exists are farmhouses and cottages devoid of moats and outer walls. The buildings and palaces, both of the king and of the nobles, are made of straw and wood. I have never seen a palace or home there made of stone or of brick except in the coastal towns of the Latins. The said kingdom is rich in grain, wine, oil and meat. It is a pleasant place with water from springs and rivers flowing through it, a delightful land with woods, meadows, mountains, plains and valleys full of various species of wild beasts. In short, everything that grows there is of choice quality, in particular in areas along the coast. In the said kingdom, there are indeed five gold mines and an equal number of silver mines in which expert miners toil without interruption. There are also mixed deposits of silver and gold, which have recently been discovered at various and sundry sites, and huge dense forests. Whoever owns this kingdom will have a veritable jewel in his possession, select and precious for all times.

One factor, among others, which makes this kingdom easy to conquer, is that it is inhabited by two peoples, i.e. the Albanians and the Latins who, in their beliefs, their rites and their obedience, both abide by the Roman Catholic Church. Accordingly, they have archbishops, bishops and abbots, as well as religious and secular clerics of lower rank and status. The Latins have six towns with bishops: firstly Antibarum (Bar), the seat of the archbishop, then Chatarensis (Kotor), Dulcedinensis (Ulcinj), Suacinensis (Shas) (2), Scutarensis (Shkodra) and Drivascensis (Drisht) (3), which are inhabited by the Latins alone. Outside the town walls, the Albanians make up the population throughout the diocese. There are four Albanian towns: Polatum Maius (Greater Pult) (4), Polatum Minus (Lesser Pult), Sabatensis (Sapa) (5) and Albanensis (Albanopolis) (6) which, together with the towns of the Latins, are all legally subject to the Archbishop of Bar and his church as their metropolitan. The Albanians indeed have a language quite different from Latin. However they use Latin letters in all their books (7). The sway of the Latins is thus confined to the limits of their towns. Outside the towns, they do possess vineyards and fields, but there are no fortifications or villages actually inhabited by the Latins. The Albanians for their part, the larger of the two peoples, could assemble over fifteen thousand horsemen for warfare according to the custom and manner of the country, who would be courageous and industrious warriors. Since the said Latins and Albanians suffer under the unbearable yoke and extremely dire bondage of their odious Slav leaders whom they detest - the people being tormented, the clergy humiliated and oppressed, the bishops and abbots often kept in chains, the nobles disinherited and held hostage, episcopal and other churches disbanded and deprived of their rights, and the monasteries in decay and ruin - they would all to a man believe that they were consecrating their hands in the blood of the aforementioned Slavs if a French prince were to appear before them whom they could make leader of their war against the said evil Slavs, the enemies of our true faith. With the help of the aforementioned Albanians and Latins, one thousand French knights and five or six thousand foot soldiers could without a doubt easily conquer the whole length and breadth of this kingdom.


(1) On the authorship of the 'Directorium', cf. M. Šufflay, Pseudobrocardus..., in: Vjesnik kraljevskog hrvatskog slavonskog dalmatinskog zemeljskog archiva, Zagreb, 13 (1911), p. 142-150; A. Atiya, The Crusade in the Later Middle Ages, New York 1965, p. 95 106, 65 67.
(2) Settlement near the river Buna, on the Montenegrin side of the present border. At its zenith during the Middle Ages it was known as Suacium, Italian Suazzo, Sfazzi, French Soans, and now in Albanian as Shas and in Serbo-Croatian as Šas. The town was first documented in 1067 and began to decay around the end of the 14th century.
(3) Village on the river Kir, northeast of Shkodra.
(4) Pult (Polatum) is a region on the river Kir extending beyond Drisht to Prekal.
(5) Saba or Sapa was in the Zadrima region east of Shkodra, later to be part of the diocese of Sapa and Sarda (Sapatensis et Sardensis).
(6) Albanopolis has been traditionally identified with the village of Zgërdhesh, south of Kruja.
(7) For an interpretation of this sentence, cf. I. Zamputi, in: Hylli i Dritës, 1-2, 1995, p. 14-51.

[Extract from: Recueil des historiens des croisades. Documents arméniens. Tome second. Documents latins et français relatifs à l'Arménie, Paris 1906, p. 478 485. Translated from the Latin by Robert Elsie. First published in R. Elsie: Early Albania, a Reader of Historical Texts, 11th - 17th Centuries, Wiesbaden 2003, p. 28-30.]


P.S.
The latins mentioned in the text are not vlachs. The author in other pages of the book mention vlahs as a separate group.

[Laberia]

No. Where did you get this from? Retarded Eupedia maps? Maciamo said himself he had no data at all for Montenegro (and Macedonia), so he just put averages of southern Bulgarians+Albanians for us. He's truly retarded faggot.
There are no ethnic Montenegrins in Gedmatch or Dodecad bases. There are a few from 23andme Stefan Dusan posted here on TA a while ago, and from it you can clearly see that Montenegrins plot much more northern than Albanians, just as much as Serbs, but much more western than Serbs. So, if anything, we have less native input than both Albanians and Serbs.
That is also clearly seen in phenotypes: from all Balkanites we stick out the most phenotypically. Our native Balkan input is smaller than from anyone else's around here (northernmost Croats are an exception).

Djukanovic considered himself a Serb for a long, long time. He started predenting he considers himself Montenegrin just to separate us from Serbia (so that he can get more dirty money only for himself), but in his soul he still believes in Serbdom of Montenegrins. Just FYI...

Let me tell you something. The territory of today Montenegro is composed by three parts, which during the Middle Ages are know as:
1- The Western part, the coast was know as Albania Veneta, till Lustica peninsula.
2- The Southern part, the Indipendent Mountains, or Brda, where live this famous clans, which we know from books and legends that are just Albanians and latter during the Middle Ages until the beggining of XIX were assimilated from the orthodox church in slavs.
3- And the very core of Montenegro or Old Montenegro, Katunska Nahija, but during the Middle Ages was know just as Katund, or Katun (without this suffix ska or Nahija), an Albanian word which mean village in English.
This is history, not BS.
Here is the coin of Albania Veneta:

[Laberia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Albania

Venetian Albania (Italian: Albania Veneta) was the name for the possessions of the Republic of Venice on the Southeastern Adriatic coast (southernmost Dalmatia) that existed from 1420 to 1797. It consisted of the Bay of Kotor, although initially it covered the coastal area of what is now Montenegro and northern Albania, most of which were lost to the Ottoman Empire early on.

Geography

The term "Venetian Albania" was used by the Republic for their initial possessions that stretched from the southern borders of the Republic of Ragusa to Durazzo in coastal Albania (hence the name).[when?] The Venetian territories usually reached only 20 km from the Adriatic Sea. Between 1478 and 1571 the territories in what is today Albania were lost.[1] After 1573 the southern limit was moved to the village of Kufin near Budva, because of the Ottoman conquests of Antivari (Bar), Dulcigno (Ulcinj), Scutari (Shkodër), and Durazzo. The Venetian territory was then centered on the area of the Bay of Kotor, and included the towns of Kotor, Risan, Perast, Tivat, Herceg Novi, Budva, and Sutomore. The name continued to be used as a claimant to the Albanian coast.[clarification needed][citation needed]

Since we are talking about borders, Kufin is the Albanian word Kufi in Geg dialect.

History
The Venetians periodically controlled the small southern Dalmatian villages around the 10th century, but did not permanently assume control until 1420. The Venetians assimilated the Dalmatian language into the Venetian dialect quickly. The Venetian territories around Kotor lasted from 1420 to 1797 and were called Venetian Albania, a province of the Venetian Republic.[3][not in citation given]

In the early years of the Renaissance the territories under Venetian control included areas from actual coastal Montenegro to northern Albania until Durazzo: Venetians retained this city after a siege by the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II in 1466 but it fell to Ottoman forces in 1501.

After 1797, the territory of "Venetian Albania" began stretching after the Republic of Ragusa, including the enclaves of Cattaro (Kotor) and Budua (Budva).

So, the creation of this enclave started from this southern dalmatian villages in north. And this enclave included all Venetian possessions in the coast of Albania. Durres(Durrazo), Vlore were part of Albania Veneta. Venetians knew very well who were the Albanians. And for this reason they didn`t includede in this enclave for example Corfu(Kerkyra), Paxo(Paxi) & Antipaxo, Teachi(Ithacha), Zante(Zakynthos), Santa Maura(Lefkada). But they included the coastal cities of Southern Epir, Chameria today part of Greece, like Prevezza, Vonizza(Vonitsa), etc.

[davai]

why is this retard even talking?

he is not able to distinguish Latins and Montenegrins, let alone confusing šiptar negroes for vlachs in Pula. LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istro-Romanians
https://www.google.si/maps/place/Pul...2!4d13.8495788

[davai]

I am a disgusting faggot who sucks Serb dicks non-stop.

maybe you should return few centuries backwards and see how how your shithole looked like then.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Montenegro

14th century

Spoiler!

11th century

Spoiler!

šiptarluk in 13th century, it looked even smaller when described by Anna Komnena.

Spoiler!

meanwhile, you even ceased to exist. From your own web site:

http://www.albania.al/about-albania/history

In 1344, Albania was annexed by Serbia.

[Laberia]

Who is the author(s) of this book davai?

[Laberia]

I like this part when you are ashamed to tell us that your source are your pseudoscholars and for this reason i will repeat my question.

Who is/are the author(s) of this book davai?

[Styrian Mujo]

I think Montenegrins are of similar stock as Herzegovians moreso than serbs from Šumadija who look more Romanian to me but idk. I hope I didn't offend any Serbs here...