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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    No, just because somebody is rich in the USA doesn't make them "high class" necessarily (like the Kardashian family).
    Same in Europe.

    In developed societies the great majority of people belong to middle-classes but i believe there's higher income disparities in USA than in most European countries (more poor and more rich people)

    Wealth does not always afford a higher class, compared to mannerism, education, social conduct, etc.
    True higher classes still are significantly of aristocratic ancestry in Europe but of course not like in the past. I guess in the USA the local aristocracy was of Anglo-colonial background (traditional WASPS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    It's "better" for one country but not a neighboring country. Europeans often throw each-other under the bus when it comes to economics and military contracts. For example France sold some war ships to Russia and this is still controversial and argued about today. So European socialism is about the betterment of one (ethnic) group at the cost of others. This is also why NATO and the EU have both stagnated and are prone to stagnation.

    European peoples and societies do not value class mobility, despite educating and feeding their own poor.
    you forget about europe history. in history and culture europe was always a monocultural broad toghether. but always with borders..and culture fading in each others yet not wanting to be just one culture but mutiple culture. Europe is still Feudal in citistates like it always was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Same in Europe.

    In developed societies the great majority of people belong to middle-classes but i believe there's higher income disparities in USA than in most European countries (more poor and more rich people)

    True higher classes still are significantly of aristocratic ancestry in Europe but of course not like in the past. I guess in the USA the local aristocracy was of Anglo-colonial background (traditional WASPS).
    In the US the government, Declaration of Independence, and Constitution were all designed to counteract and contradict European class-based society. Because the first Anglo colonialists primarily were repressed Protestants. After the French started colonizing America, even more liberalism was introduced. The explorers, settlers, colonialists, and conquistadors none of them kept the traditional European classist mentality at first. In the new world, there is no "great wealth" to inherit, and so inheritance becomes devalued. Americans have become more pragmatic ever since the start.

    I don't mean only financial inheritance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiCa View Post
    you forget about europe history. in history and culture europe was always a monocultural broad toghether. but always with borders..and culture fading in each others yet not wanting to be just one culture but mutiple culture. Europe is still Feudal in citistates like it always was
    Culture has no meaning..

    if culture or language was so important, the English would be superior to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiCa View Post
    you forget about europe history. in history and culture europe was always a monocultural broad toghether. but always with borders..and culture fading in each others yet not wanting to be just one culture but mutiple culture. Europe is still Feudal in citistates like it always was
    America rejected Feudalism after the Yankees won the Civil War and pushed USA into a Federalist state-government.

    Yes Europeans are still mono-cultural but Americans are the ones pushing "multi-kulti", because of demographics (miscegenation).

    Monoculturalism can be a good thing though. It is a strength of Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Isn't there a bigger class gap in the USA than in most of European countries ?
    He is crazy. US (and pretty much the whole New World) has a large class gap than most of European countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    America rejected Feudalism after the Yankees won the Civil War and pushed USA into a Federalist state-government.

    Yes Europeans are still mono-cultural but Americans are the ones pushing "multi-kulti", because of demographics (miscegenation).

    Monoculturalism can be a good thing though. It is a strength of Europeans.
    who said you are not monocultural too? america monoculturalize.. you understand that yu wll never have the same culture of mexicans, brazilians, europeans or chineses

    because usa is big and can welcome still many new people. europe is small.. and already done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unome View Post
    In the US the government, Declaration of Independence, and Constitution were all designed to counteract and contradict European class-based society. Because the first Anglo colonialists primarily were repressed Protestants. After the French started colonizing America, even more liberalism was introduced. The explorers, settlers, colonialists, and conquistadors none of them kept the traditional European classist mentality at first. In the new world, there is no "great wealth" to inherit, and so inheritance becomes devalued. Americans have become more pragmatic ever since the start.

    I don't mean only financial inheritance.
    Partly agree. Prior to the industrial revolution land equals wealth, aristocratic class owned the vast majority of the lands, in that the USA was completely different since land was abondant and was necessary to distribute it in order to populate and develop the country, creating a large landowner middle-class, that was indeed a decisive factor that made north america advance much more than south America where the class system was much more in line with old Europe dominated by aristocratic class large landowners.

    Seeing the other side of the coin, much more people inherited something in the american system than in the old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meninodeengenho View Post
    He is crazy. US (and pretty much the whole New World) has a large class gap than most of European countries.
    You're thinking only in terms of money, which is false. Class =/= Money. Many Americans and new-world people think that money = class. It does not. There is more to 'Class' than just money.

    And you helped prove my point. Americans do not have a developed sense of 'Class' like Europeans do, since Europeans have the very old history, and stand to gain, or lose, through inheritance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meninodeengenho View Post
    US (and pretty much the whole New World) has a large class gap than most of European countries.
    True, not always was like that (certainly not in colonial times because of what i've explained previously) but nowadays there's much larger social/income gaps in America than in Europe...possibly has to do also with the racial composition of the populations and ongoing immigration to America (immigrants are mostly of poor background and takes usually 1 or 2 generations to climb socially/ecnomically) while Europe only in the last 2/3 decades started to receive mass migration.

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