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[poiuytrewq0987]

Kazakhs are also the only Turkic population that has significant proportion of haplogroup C. Guess why.

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And? You still cluster with Iranic populations.

[Danishmend]

Turks cluster with Armenians and Iranians, brah.

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PCAs are misleading, especially when you don't know how to interpret them. Turks form a cluster between South Europe (Greece-Sicily) and Central Asia (Turkmens), that's also how they usually get modelled on gedmatch's oracle. Even the Turkish samples from West Anatolia (Turkish_Aydin=purple and Turkish_Balıkesir=yellow) cluster with Caucasus population because Central Asian admixture pulls them towards the Caucasus.

CHG-WHG-EHG synthetics PCA (Eurogenes)

And? You still cluster with Iranic populations.

We don't. PCAs are useless and misleading when analyzed by morons. There are quadroons clustering with North Africans although they are genetically different.

Comparison of Turkish, Iranian and Armenian averages

	SE_ASIAN	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	CHG_EEF	POLAR	EHG	SUB_SAHARAN	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	KARITIANA	ANCESTRAL_INDIAN	NATUFIAN	SIBERIAN	PAPUAN	SHG_WHG
Armenian	0.50	13.41	29.13	0.20	1.70	0.00	34.13	0.40	0.50	17.82	1.00	0.60	0.60
Iranian	1.30	8.21	21.82	0.60	5.41	0.60	36.44	0.80	7.21	14.61	1.50	0.70	0.80
Turkish	3.20	14.09	29.67	1.50	5.79	0.10	21.48	0.90	0.60	12.29	6.19	0.30	3.90

[poiuytrewq0987]

All you've proven with that plot is that southern Central Asia is still mostly Iranic but the populations there now mostly speak Turkic. It is evident by how the Turkmens cluster with Afghan Pashtuns, an Eastern Iranic population. The Turks from Turkey are Western Iranic. An overall MENA dominated people with influence from everywhere.

[Danishmend]

You are still taking everything you see on PCAs literally. Pashtuns and Turkmens are far from each other genetically, I've already tried explaining why they appear so close on PCAs but you can't get it. PCAs don't even take all components into account, some components get left out.

GEDmatch oracles are better at estimating genetic proximities, although they aren't 100% accurate either (they don't take the proximity between different components into account for instance).

This is Turkmen average, the blue ones in the list are Turkic populations. PCAs are misleading as you can see.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen @ 0,206746
2 Afghan_Turkmen @ 7,50568
3 Uzbek @ 11,304809
4 Nogai @ 14,893445
5 Afghan_Tadjik @ 14,921337
6 Tadjik @ 15,40988
7 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 16,045876
8 Kumyk @ 22,477077
9 Uygur @ 22,8777
10 Turkish_Balikesir @ 22,952689
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 24,002164
12 Tajik_Pomiri @ 25,842281
13 Balkar @ 25,925192
14 North_Ossetian @ 25,949263
15 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26,38838
16 Lezgin @ 26,643078
17 Chechen @ 26,680635
18 Turkish_Istanbul @ 26,947368
19 Adygei @ 27,014987
20 Iranian @ 27,55396



Anway, you are not in a position to judge anyone's identity, since you love PCAs let me show you how Macedonians appear on PCAs. So Slavic indeed (I know you are from Macedonia by the way)

[poiuytrewq0987]

You are still taking everything you see on PCAs literally. Pashtuns and Turkmens are far from each other genetically, I've already tried explaining why they appear so close on PCAs but you can't get it. PCAs don't even take all components into account, some components get left out.

GEDmatch oracles are better at estimating genetic proximities, although they aren't 100% accurate either (they don't take the proximity between different components into account for instance).

This is Turkmen average, the blue ones in the list are Turkic populations. PCAs are misleading as you can see.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkmen @ 0,206746
2 Afghan_Turkmen @ 7,50568
3 Uzbek @ 11,304809
4 Nogai @ 14,893445
5 Afghan_Tadjik @ 14,921337
6 Tadjik @ 15,40988
7 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 16,045876
8 Kumyk @ 22,477077
9 Uygur @ 22,8777
10 Turkish_Balikesir @ 22,952689
11 Turkish_Aydin @ 24,002164
12 Tajik_Pomiri @ 25,842281
13 Balkar @ 25,925192
14 North_Ossetian @ 25,949263
15 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26,38838
16 Lezgin @ 26,643078
17 Chechen @ 26,680635
18 Turkish_Istanbul @ 26,947368
19 Adygei @ 27,014987
20 Iranian @ 27,55396

Anway, you are not in a position to judge anyone's identity, since you love PCAs let me show you how Macedonians appear on PCAs. So Slavic indeed (I know you are from Macedonia by the way)

You still haven't disproven that Turks don't cluster with other Iranic and MENA populations. You can go on about the Kazakhs or Turkmens, whatever, and try to distract that the Turks are a primarily MENA population. It even shows in the oracle you posted:

15 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26,38838
16 Lezgin @ 26,643078
17 Chechen @ 26,680635
18 Turkish_Istanbul @ 26,947368
19 Adygei @ 27,014987
20 Iranian @ 27,55396

[Pennywise]

You still haven't disproven that Turks don't cluster with other Iranic and MENA populations. You can go on about the Kazakhs or Turkmens, whatever, and try to distract that the Turks are a primarily MENA population. It even shows in the oracle you posted:

15 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26,38838
16 Lezgin @ 26,643078
17 Chechen @ 26,680635
18 Turkish_Istanbul @ 26,947368
19 Adygei @ 27,014987
20 Iranian @ 27,55396

It seems that you don't even aware what "MENA" means. While you're looking at the results posted from gedmatch, check also their distances. For instance, Iranian in those results is @ 27,55396. You know what that means? It means they're world apart.

[poiuytrewq0987]

It seems that you don't even aware what "MENA" means. While you're looking at the results posted from gedmatch, check also their distances. For instance, Iranian in those results is @ 27,55396. You know what that means? It means they're world apart.

Reread my post, brah.

[meisje]

You still haven't disproven that Turks don't cluster with other Iranic and MENA populations. You can go on about the Kazakhs or Turkmens, whatever, and try to distract that the Turks are a primarily MENA population. It even shows in the oracle you posted:

As much as Greeks and Sicilians, An oracle of Jew

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.57
2 European_Early_Farmers 17.74
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.80
4 Near_East 12.19
5 North_African 7.10
6 South_Central_Asian 6.80
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.20
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.06


1 Cretan @ 5.448339
2 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 5.566654
3 Romanian_Jew @ 6.532177
4 Sicilian_East @ 7.031083
5 Ashkenazi @ 7.120732
6 Sicilian_West @ 7.518512
7 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 8.013366
8 Italian_South @ 8.319594
9 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.389631
10 Greek @ 8.442505
11 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 8.796026
12 Greek_Athens @ 8.806226
13 Greek_Phokaia @ 8.845964
14 French_Jew @ 8.986897
15 Greek_Macedonia @ 9.290755
16 Maltese @ 9.370298
17 Sicilian_Trapani @ 9.551031
18 Sicilian_Center @ 9.578836
19 Turk_Jew @ 9.668981
20 Greek_Smyrna @ 10.057483

[poiuytrewq0987]

As much as Greeks and Sicilians, An oracle of Jew

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.57
2 European_Early_Farmers 17.74
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.80
4 Near_East 12.19
5 North_African 7.10
6 South_Central_Asian 6.80
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.20
8 Ancestral_Altaic 1.06


1 Cretan @ 5.448339
2 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 5.566654
3 Romanian_Jew @ 6.532177
4 Sicilian_East @ 7.031083
5 Ashkenazi @ 7.120732
6 Sicilian_West @ 7.518512
7 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 8.013366
8 Italian_South @ 8.319594
9 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.389631
10 Greek @ 8.442505
11 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 8.796026
12 Greek_Athens @ 8.806226
13 Greek_Phokaia @ 8.845964
14 French_Jew @ 8.986897
15 Greek_Macedonia @ 9.290755
16 Maltese @ 9.370298
17 Sicilian_Trapani @ 9.551031
18 Sicilian_Center @ 9.578836
19 Turk_Jew @ 9.668981
20 Greek_Smyrna @ 10.057483

The Ashkenazi Jews originated from Southern Italy, just FYI.

Genetic similarities between Italians and Ashkenazi Jews are due to the fact that about half of Jews' ancestry is European, a lot of which came from Italy when diaspora males migrated to Rome and found wives among local women who then converted to Judaism. The same process happened again to a lesser degree in other parts of Europe as Jews migrated further north, west and then east, but according to genome-wide autosomal DNA, their highest European admixture is Italian.

http://italianthro.blogspot.com/2014/03/italian-ancestry-of-ashkenazi-jews.html

[meisje]

The Ashkenazi Jews originated from Southern Italy, just FYI.

I do not care, Plot for you, Kurds and Iranians at the bottom of plot