The New Religion Of Choice For White Supremacists

[Gwydion]

The polytheism of late antiquity was a Monism buttressed by Platonism. The major problem with Christianity for me, is the god of the OT. Making a distinction between the god of the OT and NT was condemned as a Gnostic heresy. Ironically, a lot of the things for which the Gnostics were condemned by the Catholic Church are essentially part and parcel of Catholic theology (Platonism, a stark demarcation between Spirit and matter, and a condemnation of the body and the physical world, etc).

I certainly think that a revival of traditional European polytheism(s) is possible if we look at seasonal festivals that have been preserved with a Christian veneer.

Some of my qualms might seem a bit specific and strange, but they derive from an experience I had that put me on the spiritual path and which I cannot disbelieve in. Some problems I have are the idea that the spirit of man is entirely created and time-bound, that animal souls dissolve at death, that there are only two possible postmortem paths, i.e. eternal heaven or eternal hell, that God is separate from his creation (I'm a monist/Neoplatonist, etc.), that man cannot be saved through his own efforts (the need for priestly intervention), that liberation is entirely postmortem (the judgement of God at the end of time rather than the ability to obtain liberation in this life), the idea of divine linear time, i.e. one single creation and one final destruction (I believe in cyclical time), and so on. As you can see, philosophically it's impossible for me to be a Christian despite my love of old Western Christian culture (medieval culture primarily.)

Those are the big issues. I also cannot accept the God of the Old Testament, the idea of the Hebrews being God's specially chosen people, or the idea that all non-Christians must be converted and that the religion of my pre-Christian ancestors was evil, demonic, etc. On a social/ethnic/political plane, I also cannot accept what I previously mentioned, namely the universalism which would prefer an ethnic replacement of non-Christian Europeans by non-European Christians.

So I certainly am sympathetic to neo-pagans. Unfortunately I think 99% of it is LARPing that won't lead anywhere, but again it needn't be that way.

[Óttar]

So I certainly am sympathetic to neo-pagans. Unfortunately I think 99% of it is LARPing that won't lead anywhere, but again it needn't be that way.

I support the YSEE (Ypato Symboulion Ellenon Ethnikon - 'Supreme Council of Gentile Hellenes'), Movimento Tradizionale Romano (MTR), Via Romana agli Dei (they used to be called Gentilitas: Spiritualita Italica, I wish they would stop changing it), and TEMPLVM.org. These organizations conduct their rites with an air of solemnity and they have done practical things like incorporating as corporations, and one even had a radio station. I think YSEE congregants dressing in white robes is a little silly (I would advocate tan or light suits with dress shirts and ties, with robes being reserved for priestly vestments only), but it's leagues above the typical "neo-pagan"/Wiccan nonsense.

[Aldaris]

The idea that our brains are supercomputers and we are the product of our nueron-cell network is the most widely accepted theory on "the hard problem of conciousness" but it is being challenged, especially with quantum mechanics recently becoming more clear. There's no doubt that nuerotransmitters play a role in conciousness as taking a dopaminergic drug like Cocaine would demonstrate a change in our behavior, but there's a lot of evidence that the brain and it's nueron network only serve as a reducing valve, not the actual source of conciousness. As an alternative to the theory that our brains are just sophisticated computers, Conciousness can be likened to a radio-wave and our wet organic brain is sort of like an antenna catching the channel.

I get why some people love to parade around their atheism, because besides being a rational choice, it also serves as an ego boost like "hey look at me I'm so tough i don't need god" but that's an easy thing to do when there are no hardships. Belief in God correlates to hardships in life, and in 2019 we live in a time where even 3rd worlders are enjoying high standards of living. God isn't really needed, he's been replaced with consumerism.

If you accept abiogenesis and evolution, I believe the conclusion that our brains are ultimately organic equivalent of supercomputers is necessary, even if evolution itself was guided by some god or anything supernatural. As at what point did we become something more than sophisticated chemistry? Self-replicating molecules which gave rise to all the life on Earth were not even alive themselves. Well, I’m not a neurobiologist, but as far as I know, mainstream science agrees with the notion that our bodies are not biomechanical machines controlled by some outside force.

As for the second point, I agree that the hardcore atheists, for whom being an atheist is a part of their identity, often tend to be very arrogant, biased and disrespectful. Funny thing is, when I encounter those types in the real life, they generally have no clue about philosophy of religion or atheism. And yeah, religiousness may correlate with hardships and hardships actually may cause an atheist turn to a religion. But why this is, really? People who experience some hard times may give up their rationality for a relief. Humans tend to behave more rationally if they are not swayed by emotions, in this case negative ones. And theists should not promote their beliefs as a mere crutch.

[War Chef]

If you accept abiogenesis and evolution, I believe the conclusion that our brains are ultimately organic equivalent of supercomputers is necessary, even if evolution itself was guided by some god or anything supernatural. As at what point did we become something more than sophisticated chemistry? Self-replicating molecules which gave rise to all the life on Earth were not even alive themselves. Well, I’m not a neurobiologist, but as far as I know, mainstream science agrees with the notion that our bodies are not biomechanical machines controlled by some outside force.

As for the second point, I agree that the hardcore atheists, for whom being an atheist is a part of their identity, often tend to be very arrogant, biased and disrespectful. Funny thing is, when I encounter those types in the real life, they generally have no clue about philosophy of religion or atheism. And yeah, religiousness may correlate with hardships and hardships actually may cause an atheist turn to a religion. But why this is, really? People who experience some hard times may give up their rationality for a relief. Humans tend to behave more rationally if they are not swayed by emotions, in this case negative ones. And theists should not promote their beliefs as a mere crutch.

Evolution was guided by greed. Thirst for pleasure and continuation of pleasant conditions. That's how single-celled protozoa which arose from primordial soup ingredients (water + hydrogen + a few others) developed into the complex life that we see today.

Case in point the paramecium, a single-celled organism without any brain, yet it can learn and acquire information:

The enigma though: what is it that is so mysterious about this tiny life-form?

Neurons! Yup, nerve cells! They don't have any. How could they? They are, as I said, one celled entities. And yet, a series of actions, preceded by the 'sensing' of an object is apparently orchestrated within the cell to maintain a path towards its objective.

http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/inde...um-engima.html

I'm not implying we are biomechanical machines controlled by an outside force, rather we are part of some larger consciousness that is momentarily localized. As a cheesy analogy I'd say each individual can be likened to a small whirlpool that has formed in an ocean that temporary comes together for some time, then disappears, only to re-form elsewhere. We consider ourselves a separate whirlpool, but our true nature was always that ocean.

As for the 2nd part, yes I agree with all your points. I'd like to add that I paint myself in real life to be an atheist, and most people I associate with think I'm atheist. I do it because identifying as anything else, especially some religious wacko would be an indicator of mental instability, weakness or just plain ignorance. Ironically though it's the atheists I met who are the most unstable, and lash-out time to time (I was wrongfully evicted from 1 apartment and taken to court by a frustrated atheist, for example). By the way I think it's no coincidence that Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, some of the most blood-thirsty people in history who viewed human lives as nothing but statistics, were atheists. Though they substituted the empty void with ideological utopian goals, modern people substitute it with consumerism.

[Loki]

Some of my qualms might seem a bit specific and strange, but they derive from an experience I had that put me on the spiritual path and which I cannot disbelieve in. Some problems I have are the idea that the spirit of man is entirely created and time-bound, that animal souls dissolve at death, that there are only two possible postmortem paths, i.e. eternal heaven or eternal hell, that God is separate from his creation (I'm a monist/Neoplatonist, etc.), that man cannot be saved through his own efforts (the need for priestly intervention), that liberation is entirely postmortem (the judgement of God at the end of time rather than the ability to obtain liberation in this life), the idea of divine linear time, i.e. one single creation and one final destruction (I believe in cyclical time), and so on. As you can see, philosophically it's impossible for me to be a Christian despite my love of old Western Christian culture (medieval culture primarily.)

Those are the big issues. I also cannot accept the God of the Old Testament, the idea of the Hebrews being God's specially chosen people, or the idea that all non-Christians must be converted and that the religion of my pre-Christian ancestors was evil, demonic, etc. On a social/ethnic/political plane, I also cannot accept what I previously mentioned, namely the universalism which would prefer an ethnic replacement of non-Christian Europeans by non-European Christians.

So I certainly am sympathetic to neo-pagans. Unfortunately I think 99% of it is LARPing that won't lead anywhere, but again it needn't be that way.

Well, this is all cute and pretty, but unfortunately you're wrong! And I don't say this disrespectfully. The fact is that Jesus Christ is God who became a man to save mankind. And this is the absolute truth that every person will have to face one day in their lives. Are you ready for it? Clearly not, so I will advise you to get to know Jesus, and learn about him while you still have time.

[Gwydion]

Well, this is all cute and pretty, but unfortunately you're wrong! And I don't say this disrespectfully. The fact is that Jesus Christ is God who became a man to save mankind. And this is the absolute truth that every person will have to face one day in their lives. Are you ready for it? Clearly not, so I will advise you to get to know Jesus, and learn about him while you still have time.

Does your conviction derive from faith, study, experience, or some other force?

I am convinced of what I am not because I contemplated the issue and found it logically sound or because it sounds attractive to me, but because again of an experience I had...speaking frankly, an experience of transcendence. If you taste sugar and know it's sweet, no amount of convincing from claims of authority (such as purported revelation), reason, or emotion can convince one to believe sugar is sour.

[Loki]

Does your conviction derive from faith, study, experience, or some other force?

All of the above...

I am convinced of what I am not because I contemplated the issue and found it logically sound or because it sounds attractive to me, but because again of an experience I had...speaking frankly, an experience of transcendence. If you taste sugar and know it's sweet, no amount of convincing from claims of authority (such as purported revelation), reason, or emotion can convince one to believe sugar is sour.

Yes, there is a realm that you can experience... but there is a higher one than that, the spiritual level where God resides. The devil is deceiving many in this way... they think they are experiencing the ultimate, but it is not. God is higher than that.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

I support the YSEE (Ypato Symboulion Ellenon Ethnikon - 'Supreme Council of Gentile Hellenes'), Movimento Tradizionale Romano (MTR), Via Romana agli Dei (they used to be called Gentilitas: Spiritualita Italica, I wish they would stop changing it), and TEMPLVM.org. These organizations conduct their rites with an air of solemnity and they have done practical things like incorporating as corporations, and one even had a radio station. I think YSEE congregants dressing in white robes is a little silly (I would advocate tan or light suits with dress shirts and ties, with robes being reserved for priestly vestments only), but it's leagues above the typical "neo-pagan"/Wiccan nonsense.

Robes were part of the old rites, specially for the priests, but those robes must be made of fine linen, not from chinese poliester.
that´s fucking cringe.

See for example jews, how they jealousy observe clothing precepts, they are an eastern mediterranean culture, they use similar fabrics than the romans.





compare that with some halloween costume





nobody is gonna take you seriously if you are wearing some cheap carnival costume.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Why the Church prescribes the use of linen for the liturgy, instead of cotton



It is a fact that may not appear obvious but the use of cotton or silk is not approved for the liturgy. Instead the Church has always prescribed materials made out of 100% linen.

Origin

There is a lot of linen used in the liturgy: Altar cloths, corporal, amice, alb, pall, lavabo towel, purificator, etc. The origin of this practice around liturgical fabrics goes back to the Old Testament. The book of Leviticus prescribed that the priest to be dressed in a linen tunicle for the sacrifice: “He shall be vested with linen tunick. He shall cover his nakedness with linen breeches. He shall be girded with a linen girdle.” (Lev. 16:4) Other references can be found in Exod. 28:39, Exod. 39:27, 1 Para 15:27 and Ez. 44:18.

“High-quality linens are soft, smooth and have no impurities.”

Symbolism

Linen was used as an image for purity. Not only does it’s white color indicate cleanliness and purity, it is also a precious fabric. Manufacturing linen is laborious process which makes it costly. The end result are high-quality linens that are soft, smooth and have no impurities.

By using linen, the Church also references to the fact that our Lord’s body was wrapped in fine linen on Calvary. “And Joseph buying fine linen, and taking him down, wrapped him up in the fine linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewed out of a rock.” (Mk 15:46) That linen cloth referenced in the Gospel is commonly known today as the Shroud of Turin.

“In the Old Testament, mixed fabrics were forbidden to priests.”

Mixed fabrics forbidden

In the Old Testament, mixed fabrics were forbidden to priests in “Thou shalt not wear a garment that is woven of woolen and linen together” (Deut. 22:11) and “Thou shalt not wear a garment that is woven of two sorts” (Lev. 19:19).

Josephus suggested that the reason for the prohibition was to keep the laity from wearing the official garb of the priests, while Maimonides thought that the reason was because heathen priests wore such mixed garments

Cassocks

Why are cassocks then not made out linen? Very simply because the cassock is not part of the liturgy. It is the daily garment of priests and the Church does not require it to be precious. It suffices that the priest or sacred ministers cover themselves in linen during the liturgy itself.

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[Jacques de Imbelloni]

Tyrian purple

Tyrian purple (Ancient Greek: πορφύρα, porphúra; Latin: purpura), also known as Tyrian red, Phoenician purple, royal purple, imperial purple or imperial dye, is a reddish-purple natural dye. It is a secretion produced by several species of predatory sea snails in the family Muricidae, rock snails originally known by the name Murex. In ancient times, extracting this dye involved tens of thousands of snails and substantial labor, and as a result, the dye was highly valued. The main chemical is 6,6′-dibromoindigo.

Background
Tyrian purple may first have been used by the ancient Phoenicians as early as 1570 BC.[2] It has been suggested that the name Phoenicia itself means 'land of purple'.[3][4] The dye was greatly prized in antiquity because the colour did not easily fade, but instead became brighter with weathering and sunlight. It came in various shades, the most prized being that of "blackish clotted blood".

Tyrian purple was expensive: The 4th century BCE historian Theopompus reported, "Purple for dyes fetched its weight in silver at Colophon" in Asia Minor.[6] The expense meant that purple-dyed textiles became status symbols, whose use was restricted by sumptuary laws. The most senior Roman magistrates wore a toga praetexta, a white toga edged with a stripe of Tyrian purple. The even more sumptuous toga picta, solid Tyrian purple with a gold stripe, was worn by generals celebrating a Roman triumph. The toga picta was later worn by the Roman emperors, to the point that 'purple' is sometimes used as a metonym for the office (e.g. the phrase 'donned the purple' means 'became emperor'). The production of Tyrian purple was tightly controlled in the succeeding Byzantine Empire and subsidized by the imperial court, which restricted its use for the colouring of imperial silks.[7] Later (9th century)[8] a child born to a reigning emperor was said to be porphyrogenitos, "born in the purple".[a]

Some[who?] speculate that the dye extracted from the Bolinus brandaris is known as argaman (ארגמן) in Biblical Hebrew. Another dye extracted from a related sea snail, Hexaplex trunculus, produced a blue colour after light exposure which could be the one known as tekhelet (תְּכֵלֶת), used in garments worn for ritual purposes.