Russians - Finno-Ugric or Slavic?

[Learning_Genetics]

There is a lot of contradictory information on the internet about whether or not Russians are Finno-Ugric or Slavic. Of course it is never black and white, there are always different admixtures among various regions.

This study suggests that Russians are mostly Finnic and do not cluster at all with Belarusians, Ukrainians or Poles: http://www.gumilev-center.ru/lico-ru...nacionalnosti/

However information on this study suggests that they also have a heavy Slavic component and do cluster with Belarusians, Ukrainians and Poles: http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/russians.html

Apparently haplogroup N only reaches 23% in Russia. It is concentrated in the North West but also in other regions. The largest haplogroup is R1a.

Why does one article say Russians are overwhelmingly Finno-Ugric and another says they are heavily Slavic? Where is the truth?

[Ülev]

Could be third way:

THE STORY OF TWO NORTHWARD MIGRATIONS - ORIGINS OF FINNO - PERMIC AND BALTO - SLAVIC LANGUAGES IN NORTHEAST EUROPE, BASED ON HUMAN Y - CHROMOSOME HAPLOGROUPS

http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/a...File/4182/4018

in short - Z-282, Z-92 had Finno-Permian languages while second wave with R1a M-458 and I2a brought slavic languages




Genetic distances map from Erzya (genetic landscape on the Y-chromosome haplogroups)

source: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5500

[Ülev]

but it could be that Baltic languages are closer to R1a Z-283, N1c brought Finno-Permian languages (only a few % R in Finland) and I2a1 (eventually with r1a m-458?) Slavic one

[Austrvegr]

Why does it bother you?

[Learning_Genetics]

Could be third way:

THE STORY OF TWO NORTHWARD MIGRATIONS - ORIGINS OF FINNO - PERMIC AND BALTO - SLAVIC LANGUAGES IN NORTHEAST EUROPE, BASED ON HUMAN Y - CHROMOSOME HAPLOGROUPS

http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/a...File/4182/4018

in short - Z-282, Z-92 had Finno-Permian languages while second wave with R1a M-458 and I2a brought slavic languages




Genetic distances map from Erzya (genetic landscape on the Y-chromosome haplogroups)

source: http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=5500

I agree with this. The R1a Y-DNA is still there.

Why does it bother you?

Because it looks like Gumilev's theory was true!

[Sandman]

The western regions of Russia like Smolensk/Bryansk/Belgorod/Kursk have basically zero Finno-Ugric admixture. The Finno-Ugric admixture will rise if you go east and far north.

So the Russians are mostly ugro-Finnish mongrels.

[Pahli]

So the Russians are mostly ugro-Finnish mongrels.

Only in the North Western and Northern parts of Russia

[GoneWithTheWind]

Mongoloids+Slaves

[Austrvegr]

From the genetic point of view Finno-Ugrians do not exist



While Slavs do

[Sarmatian]

Sick and tired of imbeciles who mix linguistic terms with genetics. All Russians are Slavic since they speak Slavic language - Russian. End of story.