Albanians, indigenous in kosovo?

[poiuytrewq0987]

- Thats what i was getting at. As there seemed to be misconception among some of when Albanian arrived in Kosovo. My point was and is, Albanians have lived there a long time. Which means that regardless of who has been controlling the area politically in time of history, are just as entitled as Serbs to live there. Many towns have Serbian names yes. They controlled the land for quite a while and such influence is natural then. Both sides have long history there, and i don't seriously think either side can claim entire Kosovo on their own. Just what i wanted to point out in this discussion.

Firstly, if any of Illyrians lived in Kosovo, it's clear they didn't have a very large impact on the region compared to Serbia who had made the land wholly Serbian. Secondly. In a proper world, Albania and Serbia were to duke it out and Milosevic had his way, you'd been kicked out of Kosovo a long time ago and probably northern Albania would've been annexed to Srbija/Jugoslavija.

[Bari]

Firstly, if any of Illyrians lived in Kosovo, it's clear they didn't have a very large impact on the region compared to Serbia who had made the land wholly Serbian. Secondly. In a proper world, Albania and Serbia were to duke it out and Milosevic had his way, you'd been kicked out of Kosovo a long time ago and probably northern Albania would've been annexed to Srbija/Jugoslavija.

- You don't have a clue as usual. If you did you would already know Montenegro has annexed much territory of Northern Albania in 1880. Areas where Montenegrins never was a majority nor had any cultural/political impact before a treaty signed in the West handed it over to them. Much of Northern Albania would have been handed over including my home commune, was it not for the ressistance made by the Prizren league and the thousands of volunteers giving aide to defend the motherland.

Little impact made you say by Illyrians? There would still have been, and many other places in the Balkans, was it not for the aggressive assimilation and slavification process performed by your ancestors. Going by your logic there was virtually nothing excisting in regions now inhabitated by Slavs before the Slavic migrations since there are so few impacts left from other people...

[Bari]

Can someone move this Kosovo-related thread to the Serb section please ?

- So in your opinion Albanians don't even have the right to open threads and discuss this in our section regarding a region we have historical presence?

Kosovo Je Srbija.

- Thats your opinion. A shouting contest involving one-liner slogans and "its mine! NO MINE" is hardly the purpose of this thread, but whether or not Albanians are indigenous as well and have a right to live there. Whos right it is to control it is another discussion.

And i have no problem discussing that as well. But i'd appreciate more elaborations. I don't mind outsiders voicing their opinion on this conflict, but it would be nice if they elaborated their views instead of appearing like puppets to popular opinions on preservationist boards. Osweo for example is appereantly pro-Serb in his stance, but it doesn't stop him from making reflective and well-articulated posts on the subject. And also not being entirely blindfolded in his view by simply dismissing Albanians regardless of facts.

I don't think it would be much appreciated either if i started involving myself in disputes between Germans and Poles typing "SILESIA BELONG TO POLAND!"
withouth even elaborating why i think so.
First of all, becuse the conflict is not really conserning me. And second of all because any outsider entering a heated topic should show some sensibilty and knowledge on a subject before trying to lecture either part on whats right.

[Guapo]

was it not for the aggressive assimilation and slavification process performed by your ancestors.

Serb clans were Albanized as well, which is why there are blonde Albanians.

[Bari]

Serb clans were Albanized as well and you know it, which is why there are blonde Albanians.

- Are you suggesting any fair complexioned Albanian is a result of Albanized Serbs? Thats ridicilous.Blondness was not brought to the Balkans by the Slavs. And Albanians as well have been assimilated by Slavs(Montenegro...). There are blond Albanians from tribes that have not mixed with Slavs as well.

Unless you have any sources proving Albanians were originally all dark complexioned. Fair complexioned people have excisted in theese regions long before. Or do you think all Ancient Greeks were dark complexioned as well?

[Foxy]

Look, solidariety to an other white people who passes for negroid.
Albania in Latin means "the white land". Romans didn't have such fantasy: the called a lot of cities "Alba...", Alba Fucens, Alba Adriatica, Alba Longa...
Great Britain was called "Albia" too, for its white rocks.
In Italian the language spoken by Albaneses minorances is called Arbereshe.
My question is: are Albaneses slavs?

I have never understood it.

[Bari]

Look, solidariety to an other white people who passes for negroid.
Albania in Latin means "the white land". Romans didn't have such fantasy: the called a lot of cities "Alba...", Alba Fucens, Alba Adriatica, Alba Longa...
Great Britain was called "Albia" too, for its white rocks.
In Italian the language spoken by Albaneses minorances is called Arbereshe.
My question is: are Albaneses slavs?

I have never understood it.

- The Arbëreshë group in Italy are descendants of Christian Albanians that fled from Albania after being finally defeated by the Ottomans, and were offered shelter by various Italian lords/kings. Shqipëria is the right term, land of the eagles. Also explaining the double-headed eagle in our flag. We are not Slavs, although there have been assimilated Slavs and Greek through the course of history. It was centuries ago such assimilations took place in any large scale, and it has never been to an extent that Albanians can be considered Slavs. Just like other people in Europe there are a few foreign elements that can be found. But unlike the rest of Europe we still have remained a strong tribal system, which makes it easy to know which tribe has absorbed elements because each tribe has a history and recorded events that has been passed down for generations. The Hoti tribe is one example, but they have mixed with other Albanian tribes for so long i don't know whether it would be relevant today.

[poiuytrewq0987]

- You don't have a clue as usual. If you did you would already know Montenegro has annexed much territory of Northern Albania in 1880. Areas where Montenegrins never was a majority nor had any cultural/political impact before a treaty signed in the West handed it over to them. Much of Northern Albania would have been handed over including my home commune, was it not for the ressistance made by the Prizren league and the thousands of volunteers giving aide to defend the motherland.

You're a mentally challenged cunt. Northern Albania would go to Srbija, why? Because we'd be at war with you, not Montenegro, you dimwit.

Little impact made you say by Illyrians? There would still have been, and many other places in the Balkans, was it not for the aggressive assimilation and slavification process performed by your ancestors. Going by your logic there was virtually nothing excisting in regions now inhabitated by Slavs before the Slavic migrations since there are so few impacts left from other people...

Hahaha, Illyrians was never a serious ethnic group. They were conquered by the Greeks, Romans and later the Slavs. You guys are the niggers of Europe, deal with it. The only and only one reason why Albania is even independent today is because you have NATO bootlickers to protect you from Greece and Serbia.

[Äike]

Illyrians(genetical and cultural ancestors of Albanians) were in the Balkan area before the Slavs, end of story.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Illyrians(genetical and cultural ancestors of Albanians) were in the Balkan area before the Slavs, end of story.

The original Illyrians were nothing more than tribes who were Romanized during the Roman period. There is no reason why we should take Albanians seriously as an ethnic group for they are the largest peddlers, traffickers and smugglers in Europe. Not to mention they've managed to set up a second Muslim state in Europe, Kosovo; Albania being the first. In addition, over 500,000 Albanians live in Turkey which goes to show how much they love Islam and Turks.