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    so Aryan R1a is masculine and Native I1 feminine?

    Nordisch-Westisch or Westisch mit Nordische einschlag
    In other words: Atlantid type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norb View Post
    so Aryan R1a is masculine and Native I1 feminine?
    Aryan is feminine for certain.

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    High facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) has been associated with a cluster of behavioural traits in men, including aggression and status-striving. This association between face structure and behaviour may be caused by testosterone. Here we investigated the relationship of both baseline and reactive testosterone levels to fWHR. In addition, we investigated the link between testosterone and three well-characterised sexually dimorphic facial metrics. Testosterone was measured in one sample of males (n = 185) before and after a speed-dating event. An additional sample provided only baseline testosterone measures (n = 92). fWHR was positively associated with testosterone reactions to potential mate exposure and marginally associated with baseline testosterone in Sample 1. We found a positive association with baseline testosterone and fWHR in Sample 2. In addition, face-width-to-lower-height ratio was positively associated with testosterone in both samples, suggesting that, in particular, facial width (scaled by two measures of facial height) is associated with testosterone. Importantly, our results also indicate that there is no association between adult testosterone and the sexual dimorphism of face shape. Thus, while our findings question the status of sexual dimorphism as a proxy measure of testosterone, they do provide evidence that testosterone is linked to fWHR and might underlie the relationship between fWHR and behaviour.
    Previous research has shown that men with higher facial width-to-height ratios (fWHRs) have higher testosterone and are more aggressive, more powerful, and more financially successful. We tested whether they are also more attractive to women in the ecologically valid mating context of speed dating. Men's fWHR was positively associated with their perceived dominance, likelihood of being chosen for a second date, and attractiveness to women for short-term, but not long-term, relationships. Perceived dominance (by itself and through physical attractiveness) mediated the relationship between fWHR and attractiveness to women for short-term relationships. Furthermore, men's perceptions of their own dominance showed patterns of association with mating desirability similar to those of fWHR. These results support the idea that fWHR is a physical marker of dominance. This is the first study to show that male dominance and higher fWHRs are attractive to women for short-term relationships in a controlled and interactive situation that could actually lead to mating and dating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    lol whatabout that for sexual dimorphism? Wonder what DALE would say
    I'm usually not attracted to long and narrow face. Not sure why

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    Woggish traits that are feminine (negative traits in both males and females): elliptical face shape, long nose, downturned nose, high position of eyebrows, high position of supraorbital rims and glabella, narrow chin, small mandible.

    Uralish traits that are feminine (positive traits in both males and females): high cheekbones, high canthal tilt, wide nasal root.



    Even though maybe it's not that simple... People with a wider nasal root also tend to have less low orbits. Maybe you can't have both.

    One trait that is simultaneously woggish, masculine, and positive is maybe thick eyebrows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ylla View Post
    I'm usually not attracted to long and narrow face. Not sure why
    Nothing wrong with you, just healthy normal working hormonal profile, and independent soul, immune to manipulation and brainwash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komintasavalta View Post




    As expected, USA & Kanada! woman win biggest smile competition. Shyest smiles found in other directions.

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    During human ontogeny, testosterone has powerful organizational and activational effects on the male organism. This has led to the hypothesis that the prenatal environment (as studied through the second-to-fourth digit ratio, 2D : 4D) is not only associated with robust adult male faces that are perceived as dominant and masculine, but also that there is an activational step during puberty. To test the latter, we collected digit ratios and frontal photographs of right-handed Caucasian boys (aged 4–11 years) along with age, body height and body weight. Using geometric morphometrics, we show a significant relationship between facial shape and 2D : 4D before the onset of puberty (explaining 14.5% of shape variation; p = 0.014 after 10 000 permutations, n = 17). Regression analyses depict the same shape patterns as in adults, namely that the lower the 2D : 4D, the smaller and shorter the forehead, the thicker the eyebrows, the wider and shorter the nose, and the larger the lower face. Our findings add to previous evidence that certain adult male facial characteristics that elicit attributions of masculinity and dominance are determined very early in ontogeny.
    Facial shapes associated with high digit ratios (figure 2, left panels) are characterized by a relatively large forehead, long and slim eyebrows, comparably large eyes with a round shape of the visible iris, and a relatively long distance of the eyes to the alae origins. The deformation grid in the nose area indicates a vertical stretching of the nose as well as a relatively short distance to the mouth. The cheeks are narrower, the jaw outline is less broad and the chin more pointed than predicted for faces corresponding with boys with lower digit ratios (figure 2 right panels). These faces, in contrast, have a relatively smaller and shorter forehead. The eyebrows are thicker and further apart from the smaller eyes. The distance between the eyes is comparably large. The flaring parts of the nostrils are relatively wide and short. The grids point to a prominent lower jaw that is laterally and ventrally extended compared with boys with higher digit ratios.
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2011.2351

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