Origin of J-PH1751 ?

[GoneWithTheWind]

Discuss.

[GoneWithTheWind]

I said discuss

[Dema]

Levant

[Trojet]

I don't think anyone can answer this for you better than me
TMRCA of J2b2a-PH1751 is about 2800 ybp.
We currently have two branches below PH1751 that split ca. 2800 ybp defined by NGS (BigY etc);
1. "An Albanian branch" defined by Z38298,Z38300
2. "A Greek branch"
See below: http://tree.j2-m172.info/?Hg=J2b2a1a1a1b
YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1751/

So in short according to samples we currently have, the origin of PH1751 (ca 2800 ybp) is either Albania or Greece (the Greek sample could very well be Arvanite).

[GoneWithTheWind]

I don't think anyone can answer this for you better than me
TMRCA of J2b2a-PH1751 is about 2800 ybp.
We currently have two branches below PH1751 that split ca. 2800 ybp:
1. "An Albanian branch" defined by Z38298,Z38300
2. "A Greek branch"
See below: http://tree.j2-m172.info/?Hg=J2b2a1a1a1b

So in short according to samples we currently have, the origin of PH1751 (ca 2800 ybp) is either Albania or Greece (the Greek sample could very well be Arvanite).

Arent most Greeks J2a

[GoneWithTheWind]

Levant

Oi moj levantine

[Trojet]

Arent most Greeks J2a

Well, they are. But they certainly have some J2b2, but it's more common in the (north) mainland and it's almost absent in Greek islands. That's should tell you something...

[Trojet]

Levant

Levant barely has any J2b2a-L283 let alone the more downstream PH1751 subclade...
See here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[Dema]

Levant barely has any J2b2a-L283 let alone the more downstream PH1751 subclade...
See here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

Yes, i believe you that. J2b2a is mutation how you already pointed out that was born in Albania or Greece if that is true, but however true origins of all J2 are Levantine.
Arent they? I mean if you want to find origins then you have to ask yourself what is upstream of J2b2a, and if you go upstream enough you will reach birthplace aka Levant.

Correct me if i am wrong

[GoneWithTheWind]

Yes, i believe you that. J2b2a is mutation how you already pointed out that was born in Albania or Greece if that is true, but however true origins of all J2 are Levantine.
Arent they? I mean if you want to find origins then you have to ask yourself what is upstream of J2b2a, and if you go upstream enough you will reach birthplace aka Levant.

Correct me if i am wrong

Yeah. Hg J: Its origin is either Caucasus or Levant where it split from I. But j2b l283 subclade seems to be pred. Albanian. A lot of albos here match eachother. I wonder when we split etc and from where. Could be a highlander ting knaw msayin