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[Sebastianus Rex]

Interessante, perguntei se tinha muitos mulatos entre eles porque me lembrei da figura do mulato Nuno Espírito Santo, que também é um retornado creio eu.

Nasceu em São Tomé e Príncipe. Retornado é um termo mais aplicável a quem nasceu em Portugal e retornou, creio que a maioria (brancos ou não) até já tinha nascido nas províncias ultramarinas, nunca tinham vindo a PT, mas foram catalogados como "retornados" e até bastante mal tratados pela sociedade.

A esse respeito deve-se dizer que nas colónias o padrão de vida até era melhor. Já postei uns vídeos e dá para ver que eram bastante desenvolvidas, com uma infraestrutura muito mais moderna que Portugal na época e um estilo de vida/ mentalidade muito mais atraente/ extrovertido.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nasceu em São Tomé e Príncipe. Retornado é um termo mais aplicável a quem nasceu em Portugal e retornou, creio que a maioria (brancos ou não) até já tinha nascido nas províncias ultramarinas, nunca tinham vindo a PT, mas foram catalogados como "retornados" e até bastante mal tratados pela sociedade.

A esse respeito deve-se dizer que nas colónias o padrão de vida até era melhor. Já postei uns vídeos e dá para ver que eram bastante desenvolvidas, com uma infraestrutura muito mais moderna que Portugal na época e um estilo de vida/ mentalidade muito mais atraente/ extrovertido.

Os retornados - ou seja os que eram mulatos - geralmente tinham sofrido da discriminacao quando voltarom para Portugal ou nao?

[Sebastianus Rex]

Os retornados - ou seja os que eram mulatos - geralmente tinham sofrido da discriminacao quando voltarom para Portugal ou nao?

Não, os retornados não eram mulatos, como supra referi, eles eram nascidos em Portugal e retornaram após a descolonização. Grosso modo, a definição degenerou e todas as pessoas que vieram das ex colónias após a descolonização levaram com o rótulo de retornado.

Creio que não houve grande diferença entre a descriminação que pessoas brancas ou mulatas foram alvo, mais por serem "retornados" o que criou um problema de sobrelotação e habitação clandestina temporário e também porque no período pós revolucionário de 1974 a esquerda/ partidos comunistas que tinham muito poder não viam com bom olhos essas pessoas que tendencialmente votavam à direita. Eram considerados reacionarios e colonialistas.

[Tooting Carmen]

Não, os retornados não eram mulatos, como supra referi, eles eram nascidos em Portugal e retornaram após a descolonização. Grosso modo, a definição degenerou e todas as pessoas que vieram das ex colónias após a descolonização levaram com o rótulo de retornado.

Creio que não houve grande diferença entre a descriminação que pessoas brancas ou mulatas foram alvo, mais por serem "retornados" o que criou um problema de sobrelotação e habitação clandestina temporário e também porque no período pós revolucionário de 1974 a esquerda/ partidos comunistas que tinham muito poder não viam com bom olhos essas pessoas que tendencialmente votavam à direita. Eram considerados reacionarios e colonialistas.

Geralmente, em comparacao com a Espanha, a Italia, a Greca, e tal vez mesmo os "focos multiculturais" do Reino Unido, da Franca e da Alemanha, parece-me do que Portugal e um pais bastante tolerante e integrado.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Geralmente, em comparacao com a Espanha, a Italia, a Greca, e tal vez mesmo os "focos multiculturais" do Reino Unido, da Franca e da Alemanha, parece-me do que Portugal e um pais bastante tolerante e integrado.

A origem da imigração é mais assimilada e os subsídios sociais relativamente escassos, isso faz toda a diferença. Claro que com o tempo tudo muda, uma coisa é certa a classe política é uma merda.

[TheMaestro]

Is PT governemnt doing anything with housing system in PT? Why is accomodation in PT so expensive?

Who is the most notable person in PT history?

Most favorite dish/snack from PT?

Favorite pop/oldie song ?

Do you mind Brazilian imigrants in your country?

How different is Brazilian and PT Portuguese? In percentages pls.

[Damião de Góis]

How do Portuguese feel about Asian Catholics from former Portuguese colonies and places of influence; Goa and Kerala (India), Ceylon (Sri Lanka), Macau (China), Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia?

Also thoughts on the legacy of Catholicism in Japan?

The culture flourished in other parts of Asia but when brought to Japan during the Edo period (1600-1800s), the Japanese violently discriminated against Christians and banned Christianity.

Well, sadly this part of our history isn't very known here. I didn't learn about it school, in school they focused more on Brazil and Africa because those colonies lasted longer.
I think most people in Portugal aren't aware of our big our empire once was. I guess people are aware of Goa now because our current prime minister has ancestry from there.

Which Northern California-based linguica brand would you purchase based on these photos?

I would go for the first one. Looks more authentic and linguiça is spelled correctly.

Algum dos membros portugueses tem parentes retornados? E outra pergunta, esses retornados eram pessoas etnicamente portuguesas ou tinha muitos mulatos e quadroons entre eles?

I don't.

How do average Portuguese people perceive immigration? Do you find the cohabitation of native Portuguese people and immigrants a success story? What is a stereotypical job for an immigrant in Portugal?

I think the average person is ok with immigration. Most are well integrated, but i've noticed recent south asian ones don't speak the language. Since they mostly work in delivery, i have come accross some and i have to speak in english sometimes.
As for their jobs, it varies.

Is PT governemnt doing anything with housing system in PT? Why is accomodation in PT so expensive?

Only in Lisbon, and i think now Porto too.

Who is the most notable person in PT history?

Maybe the first king. He fought both spaniards and moors so that Portugal could be independent, if it wasn't for him we would all be spanish.
Later people that helped build an overseas empire for such a small country are also relevant.

Most favorite dish/snack from PT?

Several cod dishes.

Favorite pop/oldie song ?

As someone who played GTA Vice City a lot, i like 80s music a lot. I like many songs but i don't have a favourite.
Lately i was reminded of how good "The Cure - Just like heaven" is.

Do you mind Brazilian imigrants in your country?

As long as they come to work/live i don't mind. If they come to commit crime, i do mind.
The second option is a minority, but it has happened.

I have also met many that look like other portuguese people (maybe they are totally or mostly portuguese).

How different is Brazilian and PT Portuguese? In percentages pls.

It's the same language but with very different accents and a few different words.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Is PT governemnt doing anything with housing system in PT? Why is accomodation in PT so expensive?

Who is the most notable person in PT history?

Most favorite dish/snack from PT?

Favorite pop/oldie song ?

Do you mind Brazilian imigrants in your country?

How different is Brazilian and PT Portuguese? In percentages pls.

1. Not at all and it's a big problem. Accomodation became expensive due to fiscal benefits given to foreign retirees ewho invested massively over the last few years, liberalization of the rental law and pure speculation.

2. I would say the founder of the nation Afonso Henriques, but is disputed with Infante Dom Henrique ( the PT leader on Civilization and the mastermind of Portuguese discoveries) and ( very debatable), Marques de Pombal ( modernizer, reformer and rebuilder of Lisbon after the huge earthquake) and Salazar ( more on a 20th century perspective).

3. Bifana ( pork filet sandwich with a tasty sauce), Prego ( steak filet sandwich with a tasty garlic sauce ) or Francesinha (in Porto region..you tube it).

4. A whiter pade of shale, Procol Harum and Ben.E. King " Stand by me ", international songs right ?!

5. No, not really the bad phase of BR immigrants has been in the early 2000's now it's considerably better, but some people do.

6. Depends, there are many Portuguese and Brazilian accents, I would say standard (Lisbon or Coimbra accent) and southern Brazilian accents are 95% intelligible.

[Sasaolo68]

1. Not at all and it's a big problem. Accomodation became expensive due to fiscal benefits given to foreign retirees ewho invested massively over the last few years, liberalization of the rental law and pure speculation.

2. I would say the founder of the nation Afonso Henriques, but is disputed with Infante Dom Henrique ( the PT leader on Civilization and the mastermind of Portuguese discoveries) and ( very debatable), Marques de Pombal ( modernizer, reformer and rebuilder of Lisbon after the huge earthquake) and Salazar ( more on a 20th century perspective).

3. Bifana ( pork filet sandwich with a tasty sauce), Prego ( steak filet sandwich with a tasty garlic sauce ) or Francesinha (in Porto region..you tube it).

4. A whiter pade of shale, Procol Harum and Ben.E. King " Stand by me ", international songs right ?!

5. No, not really the bad phase of BR immigrants has been in the early 2000's now it's considerably better, but some people do.

6. Depends, there are many Portuguese and Brazilian accents, I would say standard (Lisbon or Coimbra accent) and southern Brazilian accents are 95% intelligible.

I always thought that the Northern Portuguese accent was the closest to S Brazilian accent, the Lisbon accent is quite hard to understand imo.

[arkas]

Well, sadly this part of our history isn't very known here. I didn't learn about it school, in school they focused more on Brazil and Africa because those colonies lasted longer.
I think most people in Portugal aren't aware of our big our empire once was. I guess people are aware of Goa now because our current prime minister has ancestry from there.

Thanks for the answer.