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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    How do you view Brazilians in Portugal (in general) when they wanna move to Portugal, for living, work etc..., are viewed better than other non-euro immigrants, or?
    Initially they were seen with suspection, there was some "Anti-Brazilian" immigration feeling among the Portuguese in the 2007-2011 period where there were a lot of violent assaults to Banks and other instituitions in Lisbon commited by Brazilian Immigrants.

    Most Brazilians in Portugal are mixed race from poorest Regions of the country, most are hard workers I would say. There was a survey in 2012 that indicated 70% of the Portuguese associated the presence of Brazilian immigrants with Criminal activities. The Brazilian woman along side with the Ukrainian/Moldovan/Romanian ones are associated with Prostitution and the Brazilian man along side the SSA ones are associated with Robberies and violent crime.

    The Brazilian immigration is becoming lower and lower and the number of Brazilians here as decreased since the Economic crash of 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autrigón View Post
    Is true that are you preparing to invade us?
    We would won without any shadow of doubt.
    Last edited by Bell Beaker; 11-26-2016 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    Initially they were seen with suspection, there was some "Anti-Brazilian" immigration among the Portuguese in the 2007-2011 period where there were a lot of violent assaults to Banks and other instituitions in Lisbon commited by Brazilian Immigrants.

    Most Brazilians in Portugal are mixed race from poorest Regions of the country, most are hard workers I would say. There was a survey in 2012 that indicated 70% of the Portuguese associated the presence of Brazilian immigrants with Criminal activities. The Brazilian woman along side with the Ukrainian/Moldovan/Romanian ones are associated with Prostitution and the Brazilian man along side the SSA ones are associated with Robberies and violent crime.

    The Brazilian immigration is becoming lower and lower and the number of Brazilians here as decreased since the Economic crash of 2008.
    Thx for detailed answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    This country would be similar to Galicia probably, our language would never separate from Galician and we would speak a "Castellenied" Galician, also the world wouldn't be the same or at least would take longer to change as it changed with us, we were the ones who started to Age of Exploration, others just imitated us.
    This is pure bullshit, I could argue that Portuguese imitated others and overall, they (Portuguese) had not enough balls to navigate the Atlantic ocean. They navigated along Africa, what is the merit in that?

    In any case the Portuguese achivements seemed small compared with the Spanish ones, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    This is pure bullshit, I could argue that Portuguese imitated others and overall, they (Portuguese) had not enough balls to navigate the Atlantic ocean. They navigated along Africa, what is the merit in that?

    In any case the Portuguese achivements seemed small compared with the Spanish ones, sorry.
    I think I never used a signature in my life.

    I am going to make a exception here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    I think I never used a signature in my life.

    I am going to make a exception here.
    What I think is that I won the debate.
    The mini-debate, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    What I think is that I won the debate.
    The mini-debate, of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    This is pure bullshit, I could argue that Portuguese imitated others and overall, they (Portuguese) had not enough balls to navigate the Atlantic ocean. They navigated along Africa, what is the merit in that?

    In any case the Portuguese achivements seemed small compared with the Spanish ones, sorry.
    Funny. If that was true the Azores would be spanish islands due to our fear to navigate the Atlantic Ocean. On the other hand, our goal was to reach India and we were on the right track. We also didn't need any italian to show us how to navigate in open waters (did the spanish do it before him?). Finally the man known to be the first to circumnavigate the globe is portuguese, not spanish.

    I don't think you know too much about portuguese achievements.

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    Until the 15th century, Europeans were limited to coastal navigation using the barge or the balinger (barinel), ancient cargo vessels of the Mediterranean Sea with a capacity of around 50 to 200 tons. These boats were fragile, with only one mast with a fixed square sail that could not overcome the navigational difficulties of southward oceanic exploration, as the strong winds, shoals and strong ocean currents easily overwhelmed their abilities.

    The caravel was developed in about 1451, based on existing fishing boats under the sponsorship of Henry the Navigator of Portugal, and soon became the preferred vessel for Portuguese explorers like Diogo Cão, Bartolomeu Dias or Gaspar and Miguel Corte-Real, and by Christopher Columbus. Its name may derive from an ancient boat type known as carabus in Latin and καραβος in Greek, later adopted into Arabic as qārib, indicating some continuity of its carvel build through the ages. They were agile and easier to navigate than the barca and barinel, with a tonnage of 50 to 160 tons and 1 to 3 masts, with lateen triangular sails allowing beating.


    Various types of Caravels (1892). In fact all central types and some lateral show technically, naos or naus, with caravels examples mostly on the left edge of the illustration
    Being smaller and having a shallow keel, the caravel could sail upriver in shallow coastal waters. With the lateen sails attached, it was highly maneuverable and could sail much nearer the wind, while with the square Atlantic-type sails attached, it was very fast. Its economy, speed, agility, and power made it esteemed as the best sailing vessel of its time. The limited capacity for cargo and crew were their main drawbacks, but did not hinder its success.

    The exploration done with caravels made the spice trade of the Portuguese and the Spanish possible. However, for the trade itself, the caravel was later replaced by the larger carrack (nau), which was more profitable for trading. The caravel was one of the pinnacle ships in Iberian ship development from 1400–1600.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Funny. If that was true the Azores would be spanish islands due to our fear to navigate the Atlantic Ocean. On the other hand, our goal was to reach India and we were on the right track. We also didn't need any italian to show us how to navigate in open waters (did the spanish do it before him?).
    Ah, did he know how??
    Good to know... Portuguese did not pay attention in him...

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Finally the man known to be the first to circumnavigate the globe is portuguese, not spanish.
    This is exactly about what I am talking. Did Magallanes circumnavigate the globe perhaps?

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