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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Ah, did he know how??
    Good to know... Portuguese did not pay attention in him...


    This is exactly about what I am talking. Did Magallanes circumnavigate the globe perhaps?
    Lol, Collumbus was a delusional Genovese who our King have laugh at. Our king at that time certainly knew about the existence of the Americas before Columbus started to bust his balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    Lol, Collumbus was a delusional Genovese who our King have laugh at. Our king at that time certainly knew about the existence of the Americas before Columbus started to bust his balls.
    ahhahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Ah, did he know how??
    Good to know... Portuguese did not pay attention in him...
    Yes, you criticized "sailing along Africa" but sailing towards America wasn't done by spanish navigators either, it was done by an italian.
    I know of spanish conquerors, but not of spanish navigators.

    Meanwhile we reached our destination and it was a longer voyage.




    This is exactly about what I am talking. Did Magallanes circumnavigate the globe perhaps?
    We had this discussion before, you are gonna say it was his spanish lackey. A pitty historians don't agree with you though.

    Who does history remember? Magellan or Juan Elcano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    ahhahahaha
    Please learn something instead of making such outlandish claims that the Portuguese weren't the pionner of the Age of Exploration and Colonialism.

    The Tordesillas Teatry, signed between the two most powerfull nations at the time (Portugal and Castille) 6 years before Pedro Alvares Cabral arrived to Brazil and the Portuguese crown "cohincidently" demanded the line of Atlantic a few meters more West than the previous or the "Beta Version" sugested by the Pope Alexander VI, which "conviniently" made the west coast of Brazil to become Part of the Portuguese line of possessions. Which can give us the conclusion that prior to the Insane claims from Colombo, João II from previous accidental landings on South America and perhaps Central America already knew that there was a new continent on the other side of the Atlantic ocean.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Yes, you criticized "sailing along Africa" but sailing towards America wasn't done by spanish navigators either, it was done by an italian.
    I know of spanish conquerors, but not of spanish navigators.
    How not? it was Spanish infrastructure and except Colón, who did not know what he was doing, and some foreign sailors all of them were Spanish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Meanwhile we reached our destination and it was a longer voyage.
    Exactly, your destination. Portuguese knew the route. Again, where is the merit? I say the merit compared with discovering, conquering and colonizing an entire continent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    We had this discussion before, you are gonna say it was his spanish lackey. A pitty historians don't agree with you though.
    And Magallanes was the Portuguese lackey of the Spanish king

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Who does history remember? Magellan or Juan Elcano?
    Obviously both. One for dying trying and the other for doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    Please learn something instead of making such outlandish claims that the Portuguese weren't the pionner of the Age of Exploration and Colonialism.

    The Tordesillas Teatry, signed between the two most powerfull nations at the time (Portugal and Castille) 6 years before Pedro Alvares Cabral arrived to Brazil and the Portuguese crown "cohincidently" demanded the line of Atlantic a few meters more West than the previous or the "Beta Version" sugested by the Pope Alexander VI, which "conviniently" made the west coast of Brazil to become Part of the Portuguese line of possessions. Which can give us the conclusion that prior to the Insane claims from Colombo, João II from previous accidental landings on South America and perhaps Central America already knew that there was a new continent on the other side of the Atlantic ocean.
    It would funny that knowing the existence of an entire continent Portuguese only claimed a tiny portion of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    How not? it was Spanish infrastructure and except Colón, who did not know what he was doing, and some foreign sailors all of them were Spanish.


    Exactly, your destination. Portuguese knew the route. Again, where is the merit? I say the merit compared with discovering, conquering and colonizing an entire continent.


    And Magallanes was the Portuguese lackey of the Spanish king


    Obviously both. One for dying trying and the other for doing it.
    The Spanish king who was half Dutch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    It would funny that knowing the existence of an entire continent Portuguese only claimed a tiny portion of it.
    Lol when Colombo arrived to Hispanola in 1492 did he knew that he discovered a new Continent?


    Oh and the notion of a American continent was only created few decades after colombos "Discovery", hence why the continent is called America and not Colombulandia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    How not? it was Spanish infrastructure and except Colón, who did not know what he was doing, and some foreign sailors all of them were Spanish.
    It was his expediction. He was the captain and the spanish kingdom provided the ships. He did everything else, including sailing to America.

    Exactly, your destination. Portuguese knew the route. Again, where is the merit? I say the merit compared with discovering, conquering and colonizing an entire continent.
    The objective was to reach India by sea and to get access to the spice trade. We did it and there's certainly merit in that and we didn't need to hire an italian to do it for us.

    And Magallanes was the Portuguese lackey of the Spanish king


    Obviously both. One for dying trying and the other for doing it.
    History remembers the captain and the man who organized the expediction. The man who did 80% of the voyage, not the sailor who brought the ship home after his captain died.



    That's why one is famous and the other isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoke View Post
    The Spanish king who was half Dutch?
    For this theory you Portuguese are Spaniards, specifically Leonese/Galicians/Castilians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    The objective was to reach India by sea and to get access to the spice trade. We did it and there's certainly merit in that and we didn't need to hire an italian to do it for us.
    Portugal would have hired that Italian if your scientists had had more faith in him
    It was not a question of chauvinism precisely.


    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post

    That is rather like 50% of the voyage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    History remembers the captain and the man who organized the expediction. The man who did 80% of the voyage, not the sailor who brought the ship home after his captain died.
    That's why one is famous and the other isn't.
    History remembers Spain as the discover, conqueror and colonizer of America, plus being the first country to circumnavigate the globe.
    Why does history remember Portugal?

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