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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumansky View Post
    I have unusual Hungarian German match Y-DNA L

    They get around 9.4% East Eurasian, 3.5% SSA, 1.5% Melanesian. When my phone charges I will post it here
    post his K23b results.

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    I double check this Hungarian German person has (mtdna L1c1d African origin) not Y-DNA my bad, still maybe interesting..

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.89
    2 European_Early_Farmers 25.35
    3 Caucasian 21.53
    4 South_Central_Asian 5.8
    5 Near_East 2.74
    6 East_African 1.83
    7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.7
    8 Australoid 1.43
    9 South_East_Asian 1
    10 Amerindian 0.96
    11 Subsaharian 0.91
    12 Archaic_Human 0.6
    13 Melano_Polynesian 0.11
    14 North_African 0.11
    15 Austronesian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_German ( ) 4.29
    2 Dutch ( ) 4.71
    3 South_German ( ) 5.37
    4 Belgian ( ) 5.54
    5 Dane ( ) 5.67
    6 Irish ( ) 5.72
    7 Frisian ( ) 5.78
    8 English ( ) 5.85
    9 Swede ( ) 6.22
    10 Norwegian_East ( ) 6.45
    11 North_European ( ) 6.81
    12 German-Volga ( ) 6.99
    13 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 8.27
    14 CEU ( ) 9
    15 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 9.18
    16 Norwegian_West ( ) 9.42
    17 Swede_Saami ( ) 9.64
    18 Welsh ( ) 9.73
    19 British ( ) 9.9
    20 Icelandic ( ) 10.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.4% North_German ( ) + 7.6% French_South ( ) @ 3.25
    2 95.4% North_German ( ) + 4.6% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 3.27
    3 95.6% North_German ( ) + 4.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.27
    4 94.4% North_German ( ) + 5.6% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 3.27
    5 91% North_German ( ) + 9% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 3.3
    6 91.4% North_German ( ) + 8.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 3.31
    7 90.2% North_German ( ) + 9.8% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 3.32
    8 91.6% North_German ( ) + 8.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 3.33
    9 89.4% North_German ( ) + 10.6% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.34
    10 77.3% North_German ( ) + 22.7% Welsh ( ) @ 3.35
    11 89% North_German ( ) + 11% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 3.35
    12 88.3% North_German ( ) + 11.7% Spaniard ( ) @ 3.36
    13 90.8% North_German ( ) + 9.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
    14 89.3% North_German ( ) + 10.7% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
    15 88.9% North_German ( ) + 11.1% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.38
    16 82.5% North_German ( ) + 17.5% French ( ) @ 3.38
    17 57.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 42.7% Slovenian ( ) @ 3.39
    18 65.1% Welsh ( ) + 34.9% Slovak ( ) @ 3.4
    19 52.3% Austrian ( ) + 47.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.41
    20 76.2% North_German ( ) + 23.8% CEU ( ) @ 3.42

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish_ +50% South_German_ @ 4.367247

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Balt_ +25% Basque_French_ +25% Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.635671

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
    1 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.304177
    2 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.350450
    3 Basque_Spanish_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.404907
    4 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.416566
    5 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.425536
    6 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.437300
    7 Basque_Spanish_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.466763
    8 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.503217
    9 Basque_Spanish_ + Latvian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.515184
    10 Basque_French_ + Belarusian_West_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.519006
    11 Basque_Spanish_ + Estonian_ + Sorb_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.541049
    12 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Lithuanian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.547410
    13 Basque_French_ + Belarusian_West_ + Estonian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.549369
    14 Basque_French_ + Kashub_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 3.575036
    15 Azov_Greek_ + Basque_French_ + Finn_West_ + Latvian_ @ 3.578773
    16 Basque_Spanish_ + German_ + Latvian_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.584327
    17 Basque_French_ + Latvian_ + Russian-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.593832
    18 Basque_Spanish_ + Latvian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Balikesir_ @ 3.606346
    19 Azov_Greek_ + Basque_Spanish_ + Finn_West_ + Latvian_ @ 3.616179
    20 Basque_French_ + Estonian_ + Kashub_ + Turk_Aydin_ @ 3.618277

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    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495804
    Could it be that the Huns are the descendants of the root of the Kura Araxes culture(linked with Ubaid and Sumerian cultures), which is associated with the Areni-1 findings?
    Could it be that the origin of Y-haplogroup L and T are in the oldest Kura Araxes culture people, and that the Huns are descendants of these oldest Kura Araxes culture people? These Kura Araxes culture people spoke a Proto Turk language, and tribes associated with them are described in the Sumerian tablets like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar", their basis was in the Urmia River region.

    Please have a look at the paper of study "Areni-1 Cave, Armenia: A Chalcolithic–Early Bronze Age settlement and ritual site in the southern Caucasus", "Keith Wilkinson":



    "The 14C date on the charcoal from the clay ball associated with Burial 1 suggests that the ritual during which the skulls were plastered into the vessels took place around 3970–3800 CAL B.C. (TABLE 1)."

    "The results of excavations undertaken at Areni-1 Cave extend the date for the first appearance of Kura-Araxes-type artifact assemblages to 4100–3800 CAL B.C., several hundred years before the previously accepted earliest date (Kushnareva 1997: 49; Kiguradze and Sagona 2003: 38–94; Kohl 2007: 86–104). "
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    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495858
    And the majority of the Turks/Huns(and the Turk language) belonged to the Western Eurasian skull type. Another note is the fact that the oldest kurgans are found in the Kura Araxes culture (Urmia region), this burial type is associated with the medieval Huns, which means that the ancestors of the Huns should have came from the Urmia region. As far as we know the Sumerian language is an agglutinative language which is equal to Altaic/Dravidian/Uralic type of languages. The Sumerian language is a non-Indo-European(non-Aryan) and non-Semitic language. The Sumerians are the descendants of the Ubaid culture people, and several archaeological studies have proven that the Ubaid culture people are the same as the Kura Araxes culture people. The Sumerian tribe names like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar" indicate that the language of Kura Araxes - Sumerian people is a Proto Turk language.
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