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    Strange:
    However:
    The Huns were "a confederation of warrior bands", ready to integrate other groups to increase their military power, in the Eurasian Steppe in the 4th to 6th centuries AD. Most aspects of their ethnogenesis (including their language and their links to other peoples of the steppes) are uncertain. Walter Pohl explicitly states: "All we can say safely is that the name Huns, in late antiquity, described prestigious ruling groups of steppe warriors."

    So was this Hunnic chieftain Turkic or from other nomadic tribes who joined Huns?

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    Gothic was lingua franca in hunnic state. Germanic tribesmen were majority in hunnic army. 3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
    Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs
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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    Gothic was lingua franca in hunnic state. Germanic tribesmen were majority in hunnic army. 3 known hunnic words are represented in slavic languages, hunnic customs were similar to that of germanic barbarians.
    Turkic huns is just nationalistic turkic bullshit. They were eastern european indo-europeans, perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs
    BROOO... Your theory is too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Nerd View Post
    BROOO... Your theory is ....... too.
    Lowest frequencies of L-M20
    Bashkirs 0.64% (3/471)
    North Tyrol L-M20 is found in 0.8% of Tyroleans in Reutte



    Current R1b samples found in -Yamnaya-3300–2600 BC, Afanasievo-3300 BCE — 2500 BCE, Vucedol-3000 BC – 2200 BC, Catacomb-2800–2200 BC, Bell Beaker-2800–1800 BCE, Poltavka-2700—2100 BC, Scythian-9th century BC up until the 4th century AD, Sarmatian-4th, 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE....

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasses View Post
    perhaps even slavs or proto-slavs
    Nope.

    Proto-Balto-Slavs = Trzciniec culture (Bronze Age)
    Proto-Italo-Celts = Unetice culture (Bronze Age)
    Proto-Germanics = Nordic Bronze Age culture

    I think so based on ancient DNA (Trzciniec still unpublished, but I know the results).

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    Also - Unetice culture is 4300 years old. R1b-L617 (my subclade) is also 4300 years old.

    My subclade correlates with Celtic ancestry and with copper mining. See these maps:



    Distribution of people with R1b-L617 (of course incomplete data, whatever I could find):



    Cornwall was a major metallurgical center during the Bronze Age, when L617 came there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining...rly_Bronze_Age

    Mining in Cornwall has existed from the early Bronze Age Britain around 2150 BC.
    Modern Spanish people = a mix of Unetice Celtic immigrants with Copper Age Iberians:



    Abd here more samples added, including a Middle Bronze Age Iberian from ~1600 BC:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Lowest frequencies of L-M20
    Bashkirs 0.64% (3/471)
    North Tyrol L-M20 is found in 0.8% of Tyroleans in Reutte



    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Proto-Balto-Slavs = Trzciniec culture (Bronze Age)
    Problem is, that between Trzcieniec and historical Slavs is a 1500-2000 years break.
    People who formed Slavs, or Trzcieniec, could during that time be illirizied, keltizied,
    iranizied, germanizied and again slavizied - not all of course, but partially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Nerd View Post
    And?
    Data fits, you can do the math.

    Current R1b samples found in -Yamnaya-3300–2600 BC, Afanasievo-3300 BCE — 2500 BCE, Vucedol-3000 BC – 2200 BC, Catacomb-2800–2200 BC, Bell Beaker-2800–1800 BCE, Poltavka-2700—2100 BC, Scythian-9th century BC up until the 4th century AD, Sarmatian-4th, 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Data fits, you can do the math.

    I mean what do you think about this chieftain and his background. Is any modern ethnicity close to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Nerd View Post
    I mean what do you think about this chieftain and his background. Is any modern ethnicity close to him?
    Without refined snps it might be hard to find who his descendants and relatives are. Still it would be interesting to get more data.


    The much older Iranians lay the frame work.
    Current R1b samples found in -Yamnaya-3300–2600 BC, Afanasievo-3300 BCE — 2500 BCE, Vucedol-3000 BC – 2200 BC, Catacomb-2800–2200 BC, Bell Beaker-2800–1800 BCE, Poltavka-2700—2100 BC, Scythian-9th century BC up until the 4th century AD, Sarmatian-4th, 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE....

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