Greek Y-DNA haplogroups (regional breakdown)

[Bosniensis]

You are wrong, R1 was also part of ancient Greeks and Romans

Actually their hapls were E-V13,J2,R1,I2 and few of them had G

Illyrians and Macedonians have the cleanest Ancient Roman blood.

They are I2 + E1b or EV13 (like me).

R1 are Slavs and Germans (non hellenic peoples) that came from 6th - 8th century, but again
this is my opinion you don't have to agree with me.

[DarknessWin]

Illyrians and Macedonians have the cleanest Ancient Roman blood.

They are I2 + E1b or EV13 (like me).

R1 are Slavs and Germans (non hellenic peoples) that came from 6th - 8th century, but again
this is my opinion you don't have to agree with me.

Man you are clueless really , first of all Macedonians were Greeks and older than Romans.
Second , illyrians were not Greeks and older than Romans too.
So both of them cant be Romans.

Third Romans were not Greeks either, they had Greek blood and greek colonies there but they were not pure Greeks

Fourth , R1 came to Ancient Greece with Dorians -> Spartans -> Cretans -> Macedonians and then spread to other greek tribes too.
You can find R1 in whole Greece, so R1 is part of ancient Greeks too.

Fifth, Germans are not R1 . Pure Germans were nordic people and they were I1.
Same with ancient Slavs, they were I1 and you can find them mostly in north-west Russia near Finland

[catgeorge]

Which areas have the most j2b2? And is there more j2a or j2b?

J2a1-M319, J2a1-M67 and a little bit of J2a1-F761

As far as I know the difference between J2b2 and R1b-M269 is close to zero

[Dianatomia]

Man you are clueless really , first of all Macedonians were Greeks and older than Romans.
Second , illyrians were not Greeks and older than Romans too.
So both of them cant be Romans.

Third Romans were not Greeks either, they had Greek blood and greek colonies there but they were not pure Greeks

Fourth , R1 came to Ancient Greece with Dorians -> Spartans -> Cretans -> Macedonians and then spread to other greek tribes too.
You can find R1 in whole Greece, so R1 is part of ancient Greeks too.

Fifth, Germans are not R1 . Pure Germans were nordic people and they were I1.
Same with ancient Slavs, they were I1 and you can find them mostly in north-west Russia near Finland

There's different clades of R1a. Most of it seems ancient and looks to be connected to the Dorians. Some may be Slavic. It is the haplogroup that never made it to Cyprus, since neither Dorians nor Slavs colonized the place. Greeks colonized Cyprus prior to the Dorians.

[Scholarios]

Bulgarians are not I2 idiot, i am I2 but i am not bulgarian or minority

Identity and nation isn't defined by ydna.

But I ydna was probably brought to South Balkans by Slavs. It's the only thing that explains why its present in South Slavs, but lower in Greeks, Albanians, and basically absent in Anatolian Turks and South Italians.

[DarknessWin]

Identity and nation isn't defined by ydna.

But I ydna was probably brought to South Balkans by Slavs. It's the only thing that explains why its present in South Slavs, but lower in Greeks, Albanians, and basically absent in Anatolian Turks and South Italians.

I2 is from native balkanians and not from the Slavs
Bulgarians are a mix of many Haplo like Greeks, I2 is not that high in Bulgaria

[Rethel]

What do you think about it, does it make sense?

So capital should be moved to Nea Nikomedea or Lasithi...

[Rethel]

Table with Y-DNA frequencies by region and two main haplogroups in each sample:

Make R1 one again

No, seriously, make R1 as one type, as you did with I.

[Scholarios]

I2 is from native balkanians and not from the Slavs
Bulgarians are a mix of many Haplo like Greeks, I2 is not that high in Bulgaria

I doubt it's from native Balkan people. Nordvedt says it coalesces about 1000 years ago. Almost definitely brought to South Balkans by south Slavs. Though I doubt original proto-Slavic groups were I2. Bulgarians have a relatively low " genetically " Slavic input, so it makes sense. It's high in Serbs though and through the route that Slavs took into the Balkans from Adriatic coast, through Pindus and down into northwest peloponesse it gradually diminishes. ( Slavs took the same route as proto-Greeks)

[catgeorge]

I doubt it's from native Balkan people. Nordvedt says it coalesces about 1000 years ago. Almost definitely brought to South Balkans by south Slavs. Though I doubt original proto-Slavic groups were I2. Bulgarians have a relatively low " genetically " Slavic input, so it makes sense. It's high in Serbs though and through the route that Slavs took into the Balkans from Adriatic coast, through Pindus and down into northwest peloponesse it gradually diminishes. ( Slavs took the same route as proto-Greeks)

L38 is the Greek one - its been around for many thousands of years



I2 (M438/P215/S31) is thought to have originated during the Late Paleolithic, around the time of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), which lasted approximately from 26,500 to 19,000 years ago. I2 probably appeared in western Europe, although its exact region of origin cannot be determined since Paleolithic Europeans were nomadic hunter-gatherers. The oldest I2 sample recovered from archeological skeletons is a 13,500 year-old man from the Grotte du Bichon in Switzerland

Maybe even Myceneans as Greeks have quite abit of it.

Probably originated here that was the peak of Thessalian neolithic meeting other cultures