Y-chromosomal haplogroup distribution in the Tuzla Canton of Bosnia and Herzegovina

[RandoBloom]

What is % of I2a1b Dinaric subclade among Albanians and Greeks? Too low
Unlike R1a, other Slavic populations have lower % of I2a1b, but it's not too low to be negligible.
Also, I2a1b is not proto-slavic (It's UP European and that's the fact) like R1a is, but it was been part of ethnogenesis of Early Slavs.

How did slavs get to Sardinia, Basque countries, Dacia and Heartland Albania?
Just because people living in Balkans in those area might declare themselves as slavs, doesn't make them slavs, just slavicized. Balkanians look nothing like Russians or Ukrainians and I2 is nonexistant in Slavic motherland of Russia.

[Laberia]

Not sure how reliable the study is since it has known KOS agent and UDBA officer Damir Marjanović in it. This pretty much disqualifies anything.

The results are expected, except abnormally high R1a, which is very symptomatic, since Marjanović is a known pro-Serb and pan-Slavist.

As opposed to that, too low I2, in his speeches he hated on Illyrians, so this is normal too.

Obviously a Serb study.

At least you have to accept that there is something correct in this study. In the map Kosova is presented as a separate country. Even UDBA accept this reality.

[cosmoo]

How did slavs get to Sardinia, Basque countries, Dacia and Heartland Albania?
Just because people living in Balkans in those area might declare themselves as slavs, doesn't make them slavs, just slavicized. Balkanians look nothing like Russians or Ukrainians and I2 is nonexistant in Slavic motherland of Russia.

I2 clades in Sardinia and among Basques are not even I2a1b, they are separated from I2a1b "Dinaric" by more than 17.000 years. You obviously know nothing about it since you are so naive that you grouped all I2 together.

I2a1b "Dinaric" is not native on Balkans because:
1) Highest diversity of it is in Poland. Dr. Ken Nordtvedt estimates that TMRCA of I2a1b Dinaric lived in Poland 2500 years ago, and that it's current spread is a result of sudden expansion that happened 2000 years ago.
2) Older clades of I2a1b, "Isles" and "Disles" (Dinaric split from Disles) all live predominantly in NW Europe today.
3) Ancient I2a1b were not found in southern or eastern Europe. Tested Thracians, for example, were mostly R1b, J and E.
I2a1b was found almost exclusively in hunter-gatherers of northern and western Europe:
-Most of hunter-gatherers from Motala in Sweden were I2a1b, one from Loschbour in Luxembourg was also I2a1b: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture14317.html
-Several of hunter-gatherers on Gotland were also I2a1b: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015...ne-age-sweden/
-One hunter-gatherer from northern France was also I2a1b: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-sn...-berry-au-bac/

Motala12 sample from Sweden was positive on L147.2 SNP marker (Dinaric-defining marker), so it could easily represent earliest I2a1b Dinaric.

[meisje]

Haplotardism

[Tschaikisten]

How did slavs get to Sardinia, Basque countries?

That's different subclade than ''Dinaric'' - after this bullshit you are not competitive for discussion.
For other things cosmoo replied you, I don't need to say anything more.

[The Destroyer]

What is % of I2a1b Dinaric subclade among Albanians and Greeks? Too low
Unlike R1a, other Slavic populations have lower % of I2a1b, but it's not too low to be negligible.
Also, I2a1b is not proto-slavic (It's UP European and that's the fact) like R1a is, but it was been part of ethnogenesis of Early Slavs.



Okey, which % you expected in northern Bosnia? It's far away from Dalmatia and Herzegovina.
There is no tested gypsies ( no non-european haplogroups except Q and G1 which probably arrived with Turks).
So, what do you think, which haplogroups with lower/higher % can be from potentially tested Croats and Serbs?

N and J haplogroups also arrived with Turks. Obviously, Serbs are the people with the most Turkish blood so that was probably influenced by them.

Also, Croats possibly increased the percentage of haplogroups which arrived with Slavs (R1a and R1b).

[Styrian Mujo]

How did slavs get to Sardinia, Basque countries, Dacia and Heartland Albania?
Just because people living in Balkans in those area might declare themselves as slavs, doesn't make them slavs, just slavicized. Balkanians look nothing like Russians or Ukrainians and I2 is nonexistant in Slavic motherland of Russia.

You are a fucking moron

[The Destroyer]

I2 clades in Sardinia and among Basques are not even I2a1b, they are separated from I2a1b "Dinaric" by more than 17.000 years. You obviously know nothing about it since you are so naive that you grouped all I2 together.

I2a1b "Dinaric" is not native on Balkans because:
1) Highest diversity of it is in Poland. Dr. Ken Nordtvedt estimates that TMRCA of I2a1b Dinaric lived in Poland 2500 years ago, and that it's current spread is a result of sudden expansion that happened 2000 years ago.
2) Older clades of I2a1b, "Isles" and "Disles" (Dinaric split from Disles) all live predominantly in NW Europe today.
3) Ancient I2a1b were not found in southern or eastern Europe. Tested Thracians, for example, were mostly R1b, J and E.
I2a1b was found almost exclusively in hunter-gatherers of northern and western Europe:
-Most of hunter-gatherers from Motala in Sweden were I2a1b, one from Loschbour in Luxembourg was also I2a1b: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture14317.html
-Several of hunter-gatherers on Gotland were also I2a1b: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015...ne-age-sweden/
-One hunter-gatherer from northern France was also I2a1b: https://genetiker.wordpress.com/y-sn...-berry-au-bac/

Motala12 sample from Sweden was positive on L147.2 SNP marker (Dinaric-defining marker), so it could easily represent earliest I2a1b Dinaric.

All I2 branches have the same roots, Sardinian and Basque I2 and Balkan I2 are obviously not the same, but they have the same distant grandfather.

Highest diversity doesn't necessarily have to mean it originated there.

They live there because they migrated away from Balkans and over time, mutated into something new.

The reasons while so few I2 has been found in paleo-Balkanites is because very little effort has been put into the research of these parts of Europe.

[Mraz]

You are a fucking moron

Hrulj makes sense, I don't see why you have to be rude to him. If you disagree then bring facts.

[The Destroyer]

You are a fucking moron

What did he say wrong? Look at your average East Slav (Russian, Ukrainian), the average West Slav (Pole, Czech) and then look at the average Bosniak. Would you even think these people are related?