How should Ashkenazi Jews identify if Middle Eastern & North African becomes a race on the census?

[Berahthraban]

No one is pure anything really, but Europeans, MENAs, and Central South Asians are all 80% + caucasoid, so they are just caucasoid in my book. Some Europeans are as much or sometimes even less Caucasoid than Saudi Arabians (Finns), so it varies a lot.

Of course, depending on how deep we dig. But let's say Australian Aboriginals or some South African population, pretty pure aren't they?

Some North Africans are like 23% SSA.. Nah, that's a quarter, too much. And what about South Indians? Most Europeans should be at least 95%+, if ANE is a third EEA. When you say "some Europeans", you're only talking about the Finns, who are the exception.

[Sikeliot]

If Ashkenazi Jews are not European, then neither are Sicilians and Maltese.

My vote: European/white.

[Myanthropologies]

Of course, depending on how deep we dig. But let's say Australian Aboriginals or some South African population, pretty pure aren't they?

Some North Africans are like 23% SSA.. Nah, that's a quarter, too much. And what about South Indians? Most Europeans should be at least 95%+, if ANE is a third EEA. When you say "some Europeans", you're only talking about the Finns, who are the exception.

Finns, Chuvash, Kargopols, and a few others come to mind. But I agree with North Africans. I didn't know South Indians were classed as caucasoid anymore, I thought they were Australoid (predominantly). I always thought that on one end, Egyptians are the cutoff of the caucasoids, on the other, it's finns, and on the last, it's North or Central Indians. Kinda like a triangle.

[Myanthropologies]

If Ashkenazi Jews are not European, then neither are Sicilians and Maltese.

My vote: European/white.

Just because they cluster with each other, doesn't mean they share ancestry, heritage, or history. An IBD genetic test would show ashkenazis having nothing to do with Sicilians. The question is whether they are Europeans, not whether they are whites.

[JBoscherville]

What is your point? We can't e.g. put Ireland, Germany etc, since people are too mixed, then 95% would have "more than two ethnicities", only the first generation immigrants would be able to take one thing only.

I don't know, having a list like: 'White', 'Black', 'Indian, 'Asian', 'Arab' is kind of jarring. I think if you're gonna have a census including ethnic background make it consistent, have all colours (white, black, brown, yellow, red) or locations (North Europe, South Europe, West Africa, East Africa etc.), not colours plus a continent plus a country plus an ethnolinguistic term. Something like that.

Yes I agree. I just saw the discussion on facebook, and I thought it was interesting. Most Jews I saw on there think they're non white for the wrong reasons though. They don't think they entirely have "white privilege," they aren't talking about their literal ancestry. Albanian Muslims wouldn't be treated the same as a regular white american either, but they're still obviously white. Whenever people say that white = white privilege, it makes me mad. A lot of people are perceived as white in certain situations when they're not white (like white passing Mexicans or Lebanese folk), and some of them have dark family probably. On the other hand, some whites are othered, but they're still white. Basically, they're trying to make it impossible for white people to be oppressed, so they're whoring the definitions of race and ethnicity. They want whites to be seen as evil oppressors and not the oppressed.

Fucking hell, that's pretty degenerate.

[Myanthropologies]

I don't know, having a list like: 'White', 'Black', 'Indian, 'Asian', 'Arab' is kind of jarring. I think if you're gonna have a census including ethnic background make it consistent, have all colours (white, black, brown, yellow, red) or locations (North Europe, South Europe, West Africa, East Africa etc.), not colours plus a continent plus a country plus an ethnolinguistic term. Something like that.



Fucking hell, that's pretty degenerate.

That's too much work + money for the government (to have all those countries). Middle Easterners make up 1% of Americans, that's why at schools we have to check down white. If we were at least 5% of Americans, then maybe we would get a box, but I think that by the time that happens, the government might completely reform the census.

[Wanderer]

In a European context, I would say they're not European. They don't naturally affiliate with any native European nations. But overall, racially speaking, they can usually be described as white. But in an AMERICAN context, supposing a European versus MENA differentiation becomes the new norm, which should they identify with? I don't know. They don't neatly fit in either category.

[Myanthropologies]

In a European context, I would say they're not European. They don't naturally affiliate with any native European nations. But overall, racially speaking, they can usually be described as white. But in an AMERICAN context, supposing a European versus MENA differentiation becomes the new norm, which should they identify with? I don't know. They don't neatly fit in either category.

Mixed . I wish if I added that option to the poll, but I wasn't thinking. Nobody should have to pick and choose one side of their ancestry, they should be allowed to identify as both. I just thought that Ashkenazis would lean more towards Middle Eastern since they definitely have direct ancestry from there, but a lot of their European ancestry comes from indirect sources before leaving the levant too. They probably only have 25% of their ancestry from direct Europeans.

[Wanderer]

What is your point? We can't e.g. put Ireland, Germany etc, since people are too mixed, then 95% would have "more than two ethnicities", only the first generation immigrants would be able to take one thing only.

Race and ethnicity are counted separately. There is ancestry data from the US census (e.g., Irish, Italian, German, etc.) but you can choose only two ancestry groups, maximum.

[Hamza]

The feeling when gentiles talk about Jews...