Minoans were North (West) European?

[brennus dux gallorum]

some people can't understand that all Y-DNA shows is a veeeeeery deep paternal ancestry, and so does mtDNA about maternal.

for example,the highest frequency of R1b in the world is in Cameroon, 99,5%, and the people there are still almost pure black by autosomal DNA

[RN97]

I doubt it is "faulty" when it is peer reviewed in Nature, if you make that claim show me someone refuting it in a scientific paper.

You misunderstood, it is a true statement that gives you nothing. Look at the spread of Y-DNA haplogroup I. It is most popular in the balkans and Scandinavia. Does that make them related? Well, in a way yes, but I'm sure you'd understand how Norwegians are closer to Brits who are more R, than Serbs who are more I.
The reason being is sub-clades. Balkans are mostly 12, while scandos are mostly I1. Get it now? That study doesn't separate sub-clades.

[Norse]

You misunderstood, it is a true statement that gives you nothing. Look at the spread of Y-DNA haplogroup I. It is most popular in the balkans and Scandinavia. Does that make them related? Well, in a way yes, but I'm sure you'd understand how Norwegians are closer to Brits who are more R, than Serbs who are more I.
The reason being is sub-clades. Balkans are mostly 12, while scandos are mostly I1. Get it now? That study doesn't separate sub-clades.

Neolithic Scandinavians were not Southerners that's absurd, the neolithic migration didn't replace scandos more than a fraction which can be clearly seen in how much WHG is still there,.

[RN97]

Neolithic Scandinavians were not Southerners that's absurd, the neolithic migration didn't replace scandos more than a fraction which can be clearly seen in how much WHG is still there,.

Dude, they cluster closest to adyghe people, they look like this:

They're not nordic, and probably not s. Euro either.... Neolithic Scandos aren't like the scandos of today. I don't even think they were indo-European, just like Minoans may not have been.

[Jackson]

Look straigh to the left, the purple diamond, that is Neolithic Scandinavian.

Who were genetically like modern southern Europeans (or rather the other way around) and particularly Sardinians, until the very latest part of the Neolithic and later. It's only from after that period that Scandinavians begin to look genetically like modern Scandinavians, apparently due to genetic input from the western Eurasian steppe.

[Norse]

Who were genetically like modern southern Europeans (or rather the other way around) and particularly Sardinians, until the very latest part of the Neolithic and later. It's only from after that period that Scandinavians begin to look genetically like modern Scandinavians, apparently due to genetic input from the western Eurasian steppe.

Prove it.

Quite the contrary Scandis are high in WHG. Diffusion to Scandi happened by culture not by replacement.

[Jackson]

Prove it.

Quite the contrary Scandis are high in WHG. Diffusion to Scandi happened by culture not by replacement.

Well lets look at this PCA for starters, it includes modern (grey) individuals and ancients, i've marked out roughly where modern Scandinavians are on there, and the rest is quite self explanatory.

Sure, they are high in WHG but mostly not local SHG. And they have no or almost no ANE which makes them unlike pretty much all modern Europeans, particularly Scandinavians. The source of ANE in Europe also appears to be from groups that have both ANE and 'WHG/Villabruna related ancestry' in large amounts. In addition even Neolithic near eastern farmers had a good chunk of this component. So it follows that the WHG in modern Scandinavians has clearly not all been in that location since the Mesolithic, same applies to pretty much all Europeans. By the time you start to get people that look genetically like modern Europeans, the mtDNA profile is different from these Minoans (and the autosomal profile much more so).

[catgeorge]

Why hasn't this been discussed?

http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2871

[Norse]

bump

[Faklon]

1.mtdna doesn't vary much in European populations

2.Their absolute closest match is the one of the Lasithi plateau

3.We have neolithic genomes from Greek Macedonia, what makes you think that the Minoans will be any different if we diminish relative proximity to Near-East?

4.Why do the same things have to be repeated like 10 times to the same 10 retards, retards?