Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
Not really. There is a lot of historical revisionist bullshit about fags and pedos on both sides. For example, out of the 80,000 Greek vases found, only 30 of them have overtly homosexual art.

It is true that there was male pederasty in ancient Greece, but it was most often between similar aged teens. Men in Sparta didn't get married until they were 25, but brides began at 15. Athenians had laws explicitly forbiding older men being with teens. Homosexuality was more of a tolerated phase than a 'lifestyle' and everyone was expected to have normal families. You were expected to grow out of it. Further, sodomy was a violation that you only committed upon slaves and prisoners of war. Homosexuals were also mocked in plays. The Greeks also called homosexuals "Kinaidos" meaning causer of shame/curse of Aidos.

The Romans have a reputation for being perverts, and all that we think we know about the Romans comes from early Christian writers who sought to discredit the ancient Roman gods and exaggerated everything massively. Brothels existed at the time, but the prostitutes and their children were outcasts and men visited them in secret. Much of what we know of Roman Empire is probably horseshit, if even one tenth of what we read is true.

Historical Christian writers in Japan very often wrote about how depraved the Japanese were, they often did not separate the sexes in bathhouses and people (obviously) had sex in them all the time (this is even depicted in art), the feudal lords and other men of authority fucked their male subordinates regularly, there was no concept of chastity before marriage (this one still persist today).

The Etruscans loved sex so much that even the Greeks and Romans were embarrassed: surviving frescos depict sodomy, copulation, flagellation and good old-fashioned pederasty all being enjoyed out in the open. Early stuff like Gilgamesh is often so anti-women that they reject them altogether in favour of homosexuality.

In the Middle Ages, nothing changed, and the literature you see from the Middle Ages that mentions sex typically mentions it either as part of a moralistic tale where the promiscuous get what's coming to them or as part of humorous plays ridiculing the promiscuous. The same is true in the Early Modern Era, for example in the work of Shakespeare (who made a lot of references to promiscuity and sex, but typically to ridicule a character or get the public to feel hostile towards that character).
The vases would have been commissioned by rich degenerates too, not some average Joe. The ultra rich and powerful are always messed up, Bathory, The Habsburg's, Epstein, Saddam, you can take your pick of any place at anytime and find the people with the power are deranged.