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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordid View Post
    What i'm trying to say is that Pontid and Atlanto-Med are closer to Nordid than classic Med.
    What is 'classic med' in your opinion ?

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    What is 'classic med' in your opinion ?
    By classic Med, i mean Gracile Med.

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    He means small, dark-skinned meds, such as Southern Italians etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordid View Post
    I thought Atlanto-Med have very minor Nordid influence (Atlantid-Med are basically mixed of Atlantid (dark Nordid) and Gracile Med) and it could explain why they are tall and somewhat lighter.
    Mixture always happened, so we don't know, but since we see in many areas tall-robust Mediterranids, it is rather that Nordoids might be derived from them than vice versa - though regionally through admixture the opposite is ALWAYS possible and would result in Nordomediterranid intermediates = Atlantid/Nordatlantid.

    By robust, do you talking about body type or somthing ?
    Bones, about the bony material. There are specific long and more robust bones typical for Nordoids and Atlantomediterranids, you can see that on the skull as well. Even the taller Gracilmediterranids, which exist here and there, have usually somewhat different traits than, best visible on the head, even better on the skeleton.

    In Poland, there are some who look very Pontid and they are quite tall.
    Pontids are taller than Gracilmediterranids, so no wonder.

    What i'm trying to say is that Pontid and Atlanto-Med are closer to Nordid than classic Med.
    That is obvious in every respect. A classic (Gracil-) Mediterranid can be distinguished more easily even from the skull alone from a Nordoid, which is often close to impossible if comparing Nordid with Atlanto-Pontid skulls on an individual base.

    It is more difficult but still possible some claim for whole cemeteries, populations, but on an individual base, it remains always guesswork and is among the most difficult classifications.

    Also Atlanto-Pontids are taller and lighter pigmented, so closer to Nordoids in this respect as well, really a clear case.

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    Mixture always happened, so we don't know, but since we see in many areas tall-robust Mediterranids, it is rather that Nordoids might be derived from them than vice versa - though regionally through admixture the opposite is ALWAYS possible and would result in Nordomediterranid intermediates = Atlantid/Nordatlantid.
    I agree.



    Pontids are taller than Gracilmediterranids, so no wonder.
    Why do you think that Atlanto-Med are taller than Pontid ? I have a friend
    who is Poles who look very Pontid and he's about 6 ft 2.


    That is obvious in every respect. A classic (Gracil-) Mediterranid can be distinguished more easily even from the skull alone from a Nordoid, which is often close to impossible if comparing Nordid with Atlanto-Pontid skulls on an individual base.
    Got a picture of Atlanto-Pontid skull ? Because i would like to see difference between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordid View Post
    By classic Med, i mean Gracile Med.
    So according to you a classic med is what you find in...Iberia ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis24 View Post
    He means small, dark-skinned meds, such as Southern Italians etc.
    Well, this kind of people are rare in Iberia, unless you consider Iberians non-Med.. A contradiction with the above quote..

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    So according to you a classic med is what you find in...Iberia ?
    Well, they do exit in Iberia but Atlanto-Med are very common in Iberia.

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    what you call "gracile" it is an old fashined term to describe certain med people with small and thin features that was predominant in rural areas of southern europe due to poverty and malnutrition.

    Today, an average Iberian of 18-30 years old is about 180 cm tall (many of them actually top that) and the gracile features are gone, since people have access to milk and meat since an early age.
    Well, if the graciles are gone/reduced, then they were weeded out by natural selection, or the original estimates for the number of graciles was simply incorrect. Its a real physica/genetic type, and a gracile lineage wouldn't magically be transformed into atlantomediterranid because of better nutrition etc.

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    Iberia: I guess then the most common type in Spain is Atlantomed, which is typically light-skinned, dark hair, tends to be tall, with long heads, a type also very common in South England and western France, which is probably why Spain clusters genetically with those two areas.

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    Why do you think that Atlanto-Med are taller than Pontid ? I have a friend
    who is Poles who look very Pontid and he's about 6 ft 2.
    Well, that's anecdotic, but yes, tall Pontids are VERY COMMON. But on average, Atlantomediterranids seem to be more robust boned and probably slightly taller, but pretty much the same in height.

    Got a picture of Atlanto-Pontid skull ? Because i would like to see difference between them.
    Just search for Atlantomediterranid skulls - essentially, the difference between Nordid + Atlanto-Pontid and Gracilmediterranid is somewhat similar to the difference between male vs. female inside of the Nordid/Atlanto-Pontid spectrum.

    Iberians btw are obviously no homogenous block, but the most typical element, which really makes the difference to other areas, is Atlantomediterranid.

    Gracilmediterranids might be most common in Southern Italy and smaller regions in various Southern and South Western European areas.

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