Turanid race

[Turul Karom]

Turanism is the ideology of ultimate butthurtness. It was adopted by some of the Hungarian elites and commoners because of Trianon and the feeling that Europe was against them, which wasn't the case. Same with Turks, but they are at least related with the Central Asians and Tatars.

Ok, aside from the snideness, we have points that we can actually talk about and validate here.

Turanism existed well before Trianon, infact, the notion of Hungarian "otherness" is what led to allied diplomats to be so harsh against them, calling Magyars out on their background as Turanic peoples as evidence. I'd be happy to cite this for you.

Europe has, more or less, beg against Hungary. We were left alone against the Ottoman horde, alone against the Habsburgs, alone against the little Entente post-Trianon as Europe laughed, and were a sideshow for the west in '56 who did nothing. Hungary's friends are few, and this is a historical fact.

[Pennywise]

Turanism is the ideology of ultimate butthurtness. It was adopted by some of the Hungarian elites and commoners because of Trianon and the feeling that Europe was against them, which wasn't the case. Same with Turks, but they are at least related with the Central Asians and Tatars.

All the ideologies are belong to the "elites". Peasants cannot produce intellectual, political ideas. "Turanism" is just not as popular as others.

[TheForeigner]

Ok, aside from the snideness, we have points that we can actually talk about and validate here.

Turanism existed well before Trianon, infact, the notion of Hungarian "otherness" is what led to allied diplomats to be so harsh against them, calling Magyars out on their background as Turanic peoples as evidence. I'd be happy to cite this for you.

Europe has, more or less, beg against Hungary. We were left alone against the Ottoman horde, alone against the Habsburgs, alone against the little Entente post-Trianon as Europe laughed, and were a sideshow for the west in '56 who did nothing. Hungary's friends are few, and this is a historical fact.

Yes please show me some quotes from Entente statesmen and diplomats.

[Turul Karom]

Of course! I agree with you to some extent. Original Hungarians were, in fact, Asians. But other than that, Hungary doesn't have a real connection to Asia.

Thank you, friend, for this tactic acknowledgement. For this is what I am actually trying to say. Like Turkish turks, Russian tartars, and Magyars today, we are all very separate biologically from our Asiatic roots. But this does not negate the small percentages of DNA matches, the cultures, and the traditions which we have held for over 1000 years.

Fun fact: it's not even Hungarians that called themselves finno-ugrics. Johann Eberhard Fischer (see: AUSTRIAN) called Hungarians as Uralic peoples in 1743. One could only wonder why an Austrian would want to distance their "vassals" from a more Turkic-oriented mindset....

[TheForeigner]

Thank you, friend, for this tactic acknowledgement. For this is what I am actually trying to say. Like Turkish turks, Russian tartars, and Magyars today, we are all very separate biologically from our Asiatic roots. But this does not negate the small percentages of DNA matches, the cultures, and the traditions which we have held for over 1000 years.

Fun fact: it's not even Hungarians that called themselves finno-ugrics. Johann Eberhard Fischer (see: AUSTRIAN) called Hungarians as Uralic peoples in 1743. One could only wonder why an Austrian would want to distance their "vassals" from a more Turkic-oriented mindset....

Hungarian language is Finno-Ugric, not Turkic.

[TheForeigner]

Proto-Hungarians were related with Volga-Ural Finnic peoples, but also had a Turkic element in their tribal confederation. Basically 7 Ugric tribes and 3 Khazar ones came to Pannonia.

[Turul Karom]

Yes please show me some quotes from Entente statesmen and diplomats.

Not a problem, friend.

"

reminiscing over Hungary's punishment at the Paris Peace Conference, the British diplomat Harold Nicolson noted: "I confess that I regarded, and still regard,that Turanian tribe with acute distaste. Like their cousins the Turks, they had destroyed much and created nothing." This Allied participant at the Paris Peace Conference did more than just express his unflattering opinion of the Hungarian people. He captured the biased political atmosphere of the international setting in which the historical Hungarian state met its death. (32)
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Source: (32) Borsody, op. cit., pp. 26-27.

[Turul Karom]

Proto-Hungarians were related with Volga-Ural Finnic peoples, but also had a Turkic element in their tribal confederation. Basically 7 Ugric tribes and 3 Khazar ones came to Pannonia.

Yes. This is factual. Our military culture, religion, tribal structure, nomadic foods, and many words are also turkic. I do not claim we are the model for turkics. We are Magyar, with a turkic-Ugric ethnogenesis. Thanks for pointing out the Khazars as well; they were called the "Kabar" tribe in the Magyar confederation.

[TheForeigner]

Well if you thought you were so different and better than them, they came to hate you. Maybe they were familiar with the Turanist doctrine.

[TheForeigner]

How did the Hungarian name originate, if you never called yourself that?