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    As per Wikipedia,

    Third Position is a revolutionary nationalist political ideology that emphasizes its opposition to both communism and capitalism. Advocates of Third Position politics present themselves as "neither left nor right", instead combining ideas from both. Third Positionists tend to defend the interests of the "productive" working class, seek alliances with separatists of ethnicity other than their own to achieve "separate but equal" ethnic segregation, support national liberation movements in the least developed countries, and have recently embraced neopaganism and environmentalism.[1]

    Scholars, such as Roger Griffin, view Third Positionism as a minor branch of fascism, which rejects both Marxism and liberalism for a form of racial socialism or, more precisely, an ideology which combines a tribal form of racial nationalism with a corporatist, distributist or solidarist economic system. The main precursors of Third Position politics are National Bolshevism, a synthesis of nationalism and Bolshevik communism, and Strasserism, a radical, mass-action and worker-based form of Nazism.[1]

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    What is Third Positionism?
    The term “Third Positionist” has been used quite a few times on this website, and while I understand what it means intuitively and personally, it has not been explained thoroughly enough for the readers. I will define what I mean when I use the term below.

    A Third Positionist is a person who is aware of international forces such as imperialism, Marxist-Leninism and global capitalism, and believes these forces must be kept in check to enable nationalism. There are different strategies – National Bolshevism, National Anarchism, State Corporatism, Ba’athism, Progressive Zionism and (unfortunately) Nazism etc., but all are aware of the forces of globalism and not completely subservient to the forces of globalism. Not all nationalists are Third Positionists. A nationalist can be a traditionalist and a conservative who is unaware of or indfferent to the sophisticated issues which I mentioned, and they would not qualify.

    Third positionists are not like Marxist-Leninist internationalists in that they usually view political matters as internal and national. Marxists believe in organizing an international Communist Party and using it to take over the world where material conditions enable. Third Positionists often are pan-nationalists who tolerate ideological differentiation to the point where it can co-exist. Marxist-Leninists have a very strict stance on materialism as compared to idealism, but Third Positionists vary depending on the Third Positionist ideology.

    Most Third Positionists reject the concepts of “left” and “right” created in American politics as silly and juvenile.

    Third Positionists disagree on how they think their revolutions will take place. Just as there are revisionists (not to use the term in a derogatory sense) and literalists in the Marxist world, not all Third Positionists agree on the methods to take power. I believe the entire political system will have be dispensed of but am open to being proved wrong.
    There's more that can be cut and pasted but I think this suffices to start a discussion rolling.

    Question: Is Third Position Ideology a viable alternative to the current political streams? If so or not so, please indicate why.

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    I wouldn't listen to the second definition the guy kane123123 is a complete spaz, look at what he has posted:
    http://www.freemediaproductions.info...gs-murder-bus/
    http://www.freemediaproductions.info...lf-mutilation/ (that is his alter ego)
    http://www.freemediaproductions.info...-musto-in-nyc/

    However that out of the way, yes it is viable as most parties are way too politically correct and reject anything that is not mainstream. Many times these groups are generally considered the new right or have such spinoffs as http://www.bayareanationalanarchists.com/

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    My experience with those who call themselves 'third positionists' is that they are a mix of nazis and conservatives who are afraid to call themselves such.

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    Third position has potential. Alto I regret to see that wiki uses one of the Cold War definitions of Left (communism) and Right (economic liberalism) and therefore help makes those terms useless definition tools. But this rant out of the way, that of course would make them neither left nor right, but that would also go up for other political streams, like for example Christian Democracy, who on the economic terrain also embraces corporatist ideas. Heck it was even first formulated by a pope, if I remember correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    My experience with those who call themselves 'third positionists' is that they are a mix of nazis and conservatives who are afraid to call themselves such.
    But then again using the old brand name in the case you mentioned would lead to greater political marginalization.

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    I think the concept is very good, i.e. that they reject the prevailing political model and the political categories that they are squeezed into.
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    [YOUTUBE]RGr7v1XkeXc[/YOUTUBE]
    WTF!? "Provocateurs" is all I can say...



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit

    We can throw this into the discussion mix...it's a philosophy from which I have taken some ideas.

    as well as a few elements from this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarchist

    But, in the main, I am still a classical republican, whose roots lie in the ideals of the American Revolution of the late 18th century.

    BTW, link to my favorite section of one of my favorite novels, "The Great Explosion" by Eric Frank Russell, in which we are introduced to rational autarchy and social credit at their finest.

    http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    [YOUTUBE]RGr7v1XkeXc[/YOUTUBE]
    WTF!? "Provocateurs" is all I can say...

    Nice video!

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    ..So 'Nazism' is unfortunte whereas Zionism is not. Okay.

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