Why does it bother people so much that Greeks are genetically north of South Italians?

[Danaan]

Here is the result on Dodecad K12b of someone from the Peloponnese. Do you really think this will not show in their appearance??

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.9
2 Greek (Dodecad) 9.19
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.23
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.83
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.25
6 Romanians (Behar) 12.61
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.8
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.02
9 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.14
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.17
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.24
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 14.49
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.1
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.59
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.7
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.23
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.65
18 Turks (Behar) 25.66
19 Cypriots (Behar) 26.39
20 Hungarians (Behar) 26.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 39.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.37
2 60.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 39.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
3 53.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 46.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.48
4 76% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.23
5 51.7% German (Dodecad) + 48.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.47
6 76.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.55
7 57.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.72
8 77% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.76
9 76% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.79
10 80.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 19.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.87
11 75.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.88
12 76.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.89
13 79% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 21% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.9
14 50.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 49.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.93
15 51% Druze (HGDP) + 49% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.99
16 54.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 45.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.01
17 66.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 33.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 4.03
18 76.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 4.06
19 56.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 43.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.06
20 74.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.06

Greeks can be different from Southern Italians for a variety of reasons like different native (pre-Roman, pre-Greek) inhabitants and different sources of extra admixture.
I personally believe that EHG admixture in Greece increased after the classical period, some of it can be attributed to Slavs. But how much of it can't be quantified because we don't know exactly how much the Classical Hellenes had and also how much more the Macedonians or the many Thracians of Macedonia could have had.

Bride kidnapping from outside groups happened often. Using mercenaries was quite widespread in the ancient world btw. Just like ancient Egypt used Karians and Greeks or Persia used Greeks among others. Also the slaves were imported mostly from the North East (Scythia -modern Ukraine- and Caucasus), especially during antiquity. I'm saying that because people have tried to attribute the so called 'Middle Eastern' admixture to slavery which is bs.

[Sikeliot]

Look, our closest genetic cousins ARE Greeks (especially since we plot between mainlanders and islanders from what I've gathered) – not Ashkenazi Jews (no IBD sharing per Xue et al), not Cypriots, and certainly not any Near Eastern population. In fact, the only significant population sharing within the past 2500 years comes from the Balkan Peninsula.

The Sicilian sample from Syracuse in one paper came up in between and overlapping with both Laconians and Cretans, but not overlapping with Macedonians or Thessalians for instance. Laconians themselves shift toward Crete, and Sicilians are more overlapping with Cretans than Laconians are. If samples were taken from Cyclades or the North Aegean, they would be somewhere between mainlanders and Sicilians. The closest Greeks to Sicilians, are Crete generally, southeast Peloponnese, and some of the other islanders.

What I am challenging is the notion Sicilians overlap with Epirotes, Macedonians, Thessalians, etc. They don't. Those populations shift northeast, and it is not a small shift.

[pelikarski]

Albanians and Bulgarians on TA have constantly said that Greeks look different to them. Why don't you listen to them?

It's Greeks themselves that said that they look different from Bulgarians

[Tooting Carmen]

It's Greeks themselves that said that they look different from Bulgarians

You and Trun have said so too.

[pelikarski]

You and Trun have said so too.

Well it is because we first and foremost look like other South Slavs and Romanians and even closer or in between Hungarians or Ukrainians.

For Greeka maybe it's the other way around because out of their direct neighbours, they may resemble Bulgarians the most.

[Sikeliot]

For Greeka maybe it's the other way around because out of their direct neighbours, they may resemble Bulgarians the most.

To me they look like Bulgarians with extra Med, and without the Semitic type of look in some Sicilians.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Look, our closest genetic cousins ARE Greeks (especially since we plot between mainlanders and islanders from what I've gathered) – not Ashkenazi Jews (no IBD sharing per Xue et al), not Cypriots, and certainly not any Near Eastern population. In fact, the only significant population sharing within the past 2500 years comes from the Balkan Peninsula.

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology...l.pbio.1001555

Oracle results are more accurate , with that being said southern italians cluster closest to both ashkenazis and greeks ( more specifially cretans). then its tuscans and greeks from other regions

[Sikeliot]

Oracle results are more accurate , with that being said southern italians cluster closest to both ashkenazis and greeks ( more specifially cretans). then its tuscans and greeks from other regions

On many calculators they are closer to Moroccan Jews than to Greece or Tuscany. Cretans are their own population too, and should be considered genetically akin to southern Italians and Jews, not to Greeks.

[Seth MacFarlane]

On many calculators they are closer to Moroccan Jews than to Greece or Tuscany. Cretans are their own population too, and should be considered genetically akin to southern Italians and Jews, not to Greeks.

Feel free to show me ( not saying i dont believe you , im just interested ). Morroccan jews plot near cyprus

[Myanthropologies]

Lol, when will people stop talking about this? You've been making threads about it for almost a year.