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    SKOPJE, Macedonia — Macedonia’s conservatives, led by former prime minister Nikola Gruevski, secured victory on Sunday in a bitterly contested national election after a poll rerun in a single station did not give the leftist opposition enough votes to overtake their rivals.

    The rerun, in the northwestern village of Tearce, 50 kilometers (31 miles) from the capital of Skopje, gave the opposition, led by the Social Democrats, 245 votes to 149 for the conservatives, led by Gruevski’s VMRO-DPMNE party. There were 402 people voting out of 714 registered.

    The rerun had been ordered following complaints about voting irregularities from the opposition Social Democrats.

    The result has not been officially announced but has been posted on the website of Macedonia’s Election Commission.

    With the rerun result in, VMRO-DPMNE wins 454,577 votes and 51 seats in the 120-member Parliament to 436,981 votes and 49 seats for the Social Democrats. The latter needed to secure 307 votes over the conservatives in a rerun to gain a 50th seat at the conservatives’ expense.

    What is certain is that Gruevski will need to form a coalition government with onee or more of the Albanian-minority parties, as he has done in the past. But, this time, coalition-building will be complicated by the emergence of two new Albanian-minority parties. The largest Albanian party, the Democratic Union for Integration, has been a reliable Gruevski partner in the past.

    In the annulled vote in Tearce, on Dec. 11, 404 registered voters had cast ballots. VMRO-DPMNE won 91 votes to 87 for the Social Democrats, while the rest were split among four Albanian-minority parties.

    In the lead to the rerun, Gruevski’s party had been spreading rumors that the Albanians would vote massively for the opposition and had even claimed it would not recognize the result.

    Antonio Milososki, a VMRO-DPMNE senior official, has blamed the leftist opposition of trying to “falsify the electoral will of the citizens”.

    “They (the opposition) are trying with some reruns to manipulate or to create conditions for falsifying the will of the people,” he said.

    The national election was called two years early as part of a Western-brokered deal to defuse a two-year political crisis sparked by a massive wiretapping scandal. The left-wing opposition blamed Gruevski for an illegal wiretapping operation targeting more than 20,000 people.

    Voting in the rerun went generally smoothly. It was halted for 15 minutes due to problems with the ultra-violet lamps used in the voting verification process. Election authorities use invisible spray on voters’ thumb to mark them as having cast votes and check all voters with UV lamps to make sure they will not try to vote again.

    Police said Sunday they got a report that two individuals allegedly tried to bribe an unidentified number of residents, offering them from 100 to 500 euros, in order not to vote.

    The bribers allegedly asked for identity documents from voters as proof they would not vote. Authorities are investigating the allegations.

    According to the monitors of civic organization “Civil”, attempts were made to bribe about 40 residents.
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    "The parties that won over 600,000 votes in the elections will form the government," the party told BIRN, referring to the total number of votes that went to the opposition parties, which surpasses the 450,000 votes for VMRO DPMNE.

    "Gruevski has no more political value; the majority of voters supported the opposition parties and opted for change," the SDSM said.

    Both of the rivals aiming to run the new government, however, depend on the goodwill of ethnic Albanian parties, which won 20 seats in all.
    The support of the Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, which won ten seats, could prove invaluable for any party seeking a majority.

    Although some DUI members have hinted they would like to break their party's eight-year partnership with VMRO DPMNE, the party remains secretive about its intentions, saying only that its decisions will be based on the will of the voters.
    - See more at: http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti....WwJ9Xxng.dpuf

    How is that a win for the conservatives? I understand that VMRO got the most votes as a party, but if Albanians choose to support SDSM then it's a done deal either way? Is there something I've misunderstood here or is that not how it is?

    Albanians won. What seemed to have been an easy election for Gruevski if we were to go by Macedonians in the wests' babbling, turned out being just a slight win from the opposition which has put Albanians in position to pick who leads the country. Having to pick between Gruevski who is hostile towards Albanians and Zaev who has promised to make Macedonia officially bilingual, rather easy choice. The only way Gruevski will keep ruling is if Ali Ahmeti makes some deal with Gruevski that is even better than Zaev's offer. Either way Albanians only stand to gain from this.

    Add to this that the amount of votes to Albanian parties combined with the fact that many voted for SDSM pretty much bitchslapped MKLion and his gang of makmonkeys when they were claiming Albanians were no more than 15%, let's say 1.5% this time hahaha.

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    I've never claimed Albanians are 15%. I've always said they are at around 26% of the country which translates to around 460-480000 of the population.

    Also just a FYI the Albanians have always cast on average 230-240000 votes in every election in macedonia since independence
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    As long as they are less than 50%, I don't care what they want.
    Macedonia can be bilingual or multilingual, I don't care.
    That is only a reflection of the ethnic mosaic and nothing more.
    When they become more than 50% of the entire population of Macedonia I will care then.
    For now there is no room for concern.
    The Albanians are not any more baby making machines as they were in the past.
    They became civilized like the Macedonians.
    I hope that Albanians will realize that this discussion is useless.

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    Albanians don't have the demographic capacity to become more than 50% of the country. Most they can reach is 33% and that is only if they stop emigrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKLion View Post
    Albanians don't have the demographic capacity to become more than 50% of the country. Most they can reach is 33% and that is only if they stop emigrating.
    I know, they are emigrating as much as the Macedonians if not more.
    The stories that they will over-number us are vain hopes for the Greeks.
    The Greeks can stop it if they want. The only what they need to do is to recognize us under our constitutional name. Of course we can share the Ancient History with them. For me Ancient Macedonia was Hellenic, but still it was Macedonia since Greece never existed before 1830.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaArgus1 View Post
    I know, they are emigrating as much as the Macedonians if not more.
    The stories that they will over-number us are vain hopes for the Greeks.
    The Greeks can stop it if they want. The only what they need is to recognize us under our constitutional name. Of course we can share the Ancient History with them. For me Ancient Macedonia was Hellenic, but still it was Macedonia since Greece never existed before 1830.
    No Greek is interested with your deluded bullshit - happy to wait or just give us Pelagonia and we can call the rest Paeonia. Skopje is going...going... going....where is your next capital going to be?
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    Too much evidence that the Greeks are stupid by nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaArgus1 View Post
    Too much evidence that the Greeks are stupid by nature.
    Really - Greeks are not the ones being forced to live in the Balkan rubbish bin of the world called FYROM (no name). So who is actually stupid here - do you have a name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaArgus1 View Post
    As long as they are less than 50%, I don't care what they want.
    Macedonia can be bilingual or multilingual, I don't care.
    That is only a reflection of the ethnic mosaic and nothing more.
    When they become more than 50% of the entire population of Macedonia I will care then.
    For now there is no room for concern.
    The Albanians are not any more baby making machines as they were in the past.
    They became civilized like the Macedonians.
    I hope that Albanians will realize that this discussion is useless.
    You're accepting the facts on the ground that's it. Whenever Macedonia becoming an officially bilingual state was brought up it was brought down with the argument that it would never happen, yet here it looks like that is about to happen. Internet Macedonians have lost all credibility after that election. To think I genuinely thought there was some bias from the western media on Macedonia, come to see the only bias was from the diehard Macs and their slavic ortodox revengers.

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