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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehan View Post
    I'am against massive immigration in general. I wouldn't mind some armenian immigrants.
    But considering the situation of Armenia, I think it's better to secure the futur of your country that not to much people leave.
    I agree, Armenia should be a fertile homeland, that flourishes economically. Unfortunately, it's a landlocked country, which borders hostile neighbors: Turkey, and Azerbaijan. The economic lifeline through Georgia does well, but it can get rather difficult to manage. Only Iran provides an enthusiastic uninhibited friendship, on Armenia's borders. After the destruction of the Western Armenian Homeland (a century ago), and much of its eastern resources in Azerbaijan, as well, the indigenous resources of the homeland have been seriously compromised. It's kind of like what would happen if the USA granted independence and sovereignty to the Indian Reservations, but then promptly imposed an economic embargo against those people.

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    I have a good impression of Armenians, but no, no, no. Why really? And they're not as much European as Greeks, like you're always implying, rather far from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Can't respond to the poll. To North America, sure. To Europe, it depends where in Europe. I'm indifferent about them moving to Western Europe, in general. To Ukraine, I am opposed. But said opposition is not strictly against Armenians; I'd say the same about any people who are not ethnic Ukrainians. And even then, my position must be clarified. It's really a matter of proportions rather than absolutes. A hypothetical lone Armenian is not an issue. One million would be.
    Why indifferent to Western Europe, if I may ask?

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    When Armenians have departed from their native homeland, their diaspora groups can be absorbed and assimilated into the host populations. In one sense it's a good thing, because it proves that they can be a peaceful, productive and healthy contribution to their host peoples. In another sense, it's very bad, because it can systematically dissolve and remove the ethnic heritage of diaspora Armenians. Of course, diaspora Armenians frequently create their own microcosmic ethnic communities, similar to San Francisco's "China Town" for Chinese Americans, but the ethnic identity in the homeland is more culturally secure in that case as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berahthraban View Post
    Why indifferent to Western Europe, if I may ask?
    Because it really isn't any of my business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Because it really isn't any of my business.
    Interesting, I guess it's there we have an extreme difference of opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berahthraban View Post
    Interesting, I guess it's there we have an extreme difference of opinions
    Why is that? I'm not saying Western Europeans should necessarily take one position or another on it. I appreciate your perspective. I don't necessarily view it as none of my business to comment on Western European immigration policy *in general*. The simple fact is that possible demographic outcomes in Western Europe DO concern the rest of the continent, indirectly. There are certain externalities that can be predicted. So I'd insert my opinion on such matters. But in the case of Armenians? They're Christian and not too anthropologically different from Europeans. So it's not much of a concern for ME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Why is that? I'm not saying Western Europeans should necessarily take one position or another on it. I appreciate your perspective. I don't necessarily view it as none of my business to comment on Western European immigration policy *in general*. The simple fact is that possible demographic outcomes in Western Europe DO concern the rest of the continent, indirectly. There are certain externalities that can be predicted. So I'd insert my opinion on such matters. But in the case of Armenians? They're Christian and not too anthropologically different from Europeans. So it's not much of a concern for ME.
    Easy to say for someone who is only part-white.

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    I voted yes. Armenians are talented and intelligent people. There is no problem if you want to immigrate to Europe. Your culture is closer to Europeans than the Arab.
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    King Levon V (also called Leo V),
    was the last throned medieval king of Armenia (1374-1375),
    ruled over the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia (1075-1375).
    He was given a an estate in Spain.
    Eventually he resettled in France, where he died (in 1393),
    and was entombed at Saint Denis Basilica, France.

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