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    The Kipchaks back then were serving other people for money. They also fought for Nevsky's Novgorod Russia and helped Rus to repel the German Livonian crusader strike at battle on Ice. Same story with Georgia. Were it not for Kipchaks, Georgia would stop to exist.
    Georgians weren't warrior, they were agriculturalist farmers working and paying tax to Georgian king, who in turn, with that gold, was buying mercenaries.

    What Kipchaks did isn't forgivable by our standards. Anyway, it's well known that Georgians trusted them but Kipchaks later sided with Mongols against Georgians too... Which is funny happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    The Kipchaks back then were serving other people for money. They also fought for Nevsky's Novgorod Russia and helped Rus to repel the German Livonian crusader strike at battle on Ice. Same story with Georgia. Were it not for Kipchaks, Georgia would stop to exist.
    Georgians weren't warrior, they were agriculturalist farmers working and paying tax to Georgian king, who in turn, with that gold, was buying mercenaries.
    If Kartvelians were not warriors then Turks were only sausage clowns.

    If Karvtelians were much developed and had high developed agricultural civilization with its culture it does not mean they were not warriors

    To be warrior does not mean to be wild nomad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    The Kipchaks back then were serving other people for money. They also fought for Nevsky's Novgorod Russia and helped Rus to repel the German Livonian crusader strike at battle on Ice. Same story with Georgia. Were it not for Kipchaks, Georgia would stop to exist.
    Georgians weren't warrior, they were agriculturalist farmers working and paying tax to Georgian king, who in turn, with that gold, was buying mercenaries.

    What Kipchaks did isn't forgivable by our standards. Anyway, it's well known that Georgians trusted them but Kipchaks later sided with Mongols against Georgians too... Which is funny happening.
    Turkic nazis always have a huge bouquet of coplmexes towards Indo-Europeans, Mongolians and even small local Caucasian civilizations.

    Dont make here people laugh

    Kill that complex in you.

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    Ilghazi and his 25-30k Turkish army were all Turks. No mercenaries. No foreigners.
    Why Georgian army was only 20k Georgian and the other 35-40k were Kipchaks who were selling themselves for gold?

    Kartvelians weren't fighters, nor king Davit considered his own people as warriors.
    Georgians were agriculturalist peasants meant to work, live in a religious environment where priests made them worship Jesus-icons ,and they were paying tax to King Davit. Good deal, Georgia was on Silk Road, so trade of those products was bringing wealth to Georgia.

    Long story short, this is a Georgian victory, but not that of random Kartvelian agriculturalist peasants who were living in their villages. Victory of the Georgian elite's good politics.

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    Lets not listen to Turkic nazi who is very ashamed and complexed because of Didgori battle

    Lets listen to the reality

    How we know folklore and culture is the soul of every nation

    Lets see

    Typical folk song of Kartvelians who according to the Turkish nazi were not warriors



    Typical folk song of Turkics who according to the Turkish friend were great warriors


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    Question still not answered:
    Why Ilghazi army was all Turkish but Georgian army was only 40% ethnic Georgians and rest being foreign mercenaries?

    Georgians back then weren't precisely Caucasians like modern Chechens or Nurmagomedov or so obviously.

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    After we have seen such beautiful videos that wonderfully demonstrate who is warrior
    Our complexed by Didgori battle Turkish friend set the question that was answered thousand years ago in 1121


    Lets see the answer

    Strength

    Great Seljuq Empire:

    Artuqids, Eldiguzids, Mazyadids, Shaddadids, Emirate of Tiflis, Shah-Armens.

    modern Georgian est.:
    100,000-250,000;

    other sources:
    around 200,000-250,000[2] or app. 300.000.[3]

    contemporary chronicles:
    400,000-600,000 or 800,000 [

    Kingdom of Georgia

    Alans, Kipchaks and Frankish mercenaries.

    40,000 Georgians
    Incl. 5.000 royal knights
    15,000 Cumans-Kipchaks
    500 Alan Mercenaries
    100-500[7] Frankish Knights
    Armenian and Shirvanese allies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Didgori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Georgians back then weren't precisely Caucasians like modern Chechens or Nurmagomedov or so obviously.
    I have heard that Chechens are Mtebids too but anyway we Georgians and Svans are really Mtebids.

    And I dont know why but I think that these beautiful Kartvelian Mtebid people will smash with one finger svanebi.jpg

    these beautiful Oghuz Tukic Turkoids

    turkmens_80s.jpg

    Whats about our weaker Kartvelin brothers from our Zan banch and Georgians mixed with them who are Pontids so I have only one question - are not you going to modern and timely Turkish town Atina and tell local Lazes that they were not warriors but you Turkoids were?

    Lets make such empirical experiment.
    Before that I will make for myself popcorn and will waiting for you face smashing

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    Still pretending Ilghazi had 150k to 600k soldiers?

    Why do you Orthodoxes like to believe in mythology?





    Georgia won because God in Flesh, who failed to save his own skin from some Jews and Romans despite being God, Third of the Three inside the Three in One, having 2 natures in merged One, granted victory to 5k Georgians against 5 million Turks.

    Happy now? We admit?

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