Divergence of races

[Peterski]

Currently the best model is roughly this:

Timeline of key events:

250-200,000 years ago - AMH (modern humans) evolve in Africa
250-200,000 years ago - estimated lifetimes of "Y Adam" and "mt Eve"
195,000 years ago - Omo I (the oldest known skull considered AMH)
160,000 years ago - Herto (the 2nd oldest known skull considered AMH)
125-100,000 years ago - 1st "Out of Africa" migration (e.g. Qafzeh 9 skull)
90,000 years ago - Ice Age desertification decimates Eurasian AMH
75,000 years ago - Toba eruption leads to extinction of Eurasian AMH
75-70,000 years ago - 2nd (successful) "Out of Africa" migration of AMH
70-60,000 years ago - Eurasian AMHs first admix with Neanderthals

Time of divergence of races:

1) Capoids - ca. 160-150,000 years old
2) Bambutids - ca. 130,000 years old
3) Negroids - ca. 90-65,000 years old
4) Negritoids - ca. 65-55,000 years old
5) Veddoids - ca. 65-55,000 years old
6) Australoids - ca. 60-40,000 years old
7) Caucasoids - ca. 45-30,000 years old
8) Mongoloids - ca. 45-30,000 years old
9) Amerinds - ca. 30-20,000 years old*

*They evolved in Beringia (see the "Beringian standstill hypothesis").

Capoids = Khoisan Bushmen (and similar groups)
Bambutids = African Pygmies (and similar groups)
Negroids (also known as Congoids) = Black Africans
Negritoids = Andamanese and other Negrito groups in Asia
Veddois = Ancestral South Indians (ASI admixture)
Australoids = Sahulians (Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea)

[Peterski]

Omo I skull from Ethiopia (it is the oldest skull considered AMH, ca. 195,000 years old):



Qafzeh 9 skull from Israel (ca. 100,000 years old, early Eurasian AMH who got extinct):

[Mingle]

Australoid, Negritoid, and Veddoid are the same thing. The Onge (Negritos) and Papuans (Australoids) are used as a proxy for ASI on some calculators.

The only difference seems to be geography:

Australoid - native Australians
Negrito - native Southeast Asians, native Melanesians, native Polynesians, native Micronesians, Andamanese
Veddoid - native Indians

But I've also seen Veddoids and Negritos referred to as Australoid. Sometimes a differentiating factor is that because of geography, Veddoids and Negritos have minor Cuacsoid and Mongoloid blood, but pure Veddoids and Negritos are the same as Australoids.

If there is an actual difference between the three, then I'd like to know what it is. But I highly doubt there is.

[Mingle]

Amerindians for the most part are Mongoloid, I don't think the differences are large enough to say they are a different race. Although there is a subset of Amerindians (and Kets/Altaians as well I think) that look non-Mongoloid. Perhaps a Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix?

[cosmoo]

Usual "Out of Africa" nonsense, claiming that negroids became anatomically Caucasoid the moment they set their foot in Europe... what a rubbish.

Amerindians for the most part are Mongoloid, I don't think the differences are large enough to say they are a different race. Although there is a subset of Amerindians (and Kets/Altaians as well I think) that look non-Mongoloid. Perhaps a Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix?

Yes, there is influence of European Upper Palaeolithic types among some Native Americans, most visibly among Indians of Great Plains.
Comanche chieftain Wild Horse:

[Shah-Jehan]

Australoid, Negritoid, and Veddoid are the same thing. The Onge (Negritos) and Papuans (Australoids) are used as a proxy for ASI on some calculators.

The only difference seems to be geography:

Australoid - native Australians
Negrito - native Southeast Asians, native Melanesians, native Polynesians, native Micronesians, Andamanese
Veddoid - native Indians

But I've also seen Veddoids and Negritos referred to as Australoid. Sometimes a differentiating factor is that because of geography, Veddoids and Negritos have minor Cuacsoid and Mongoloid blood, but pure Veddoids and Negritos are the same as Australoids.

If there is an actual difference between the three, then I'd like to know what it is. But I highly doubt there is.

"Veddoids" are a phenotype named after Vedda people who are a small tribe in Sri Lanka.

[Milo]

Australoid, Negritoid, and Veddoid are the same thing. The Onge (Negritos) and Papuans (Australoids) are used as a proxy for ASI on some calculators.

The only difference seems to be geography:

Australoid - native Australians
Negrito - native Southeast Asians, native Melanesians, native Polynesians, native Micronesians, Andamanese
Veddoid - native Indians

But I've also seen Veddoids and Negritos referred to as Australoid. Sometimes a differentiating factor is that because of geography, Veddoids and Negritos have minor Cuacsoid and Mongoloid blood, but pure Veddoids and Negritos are the same as Australoids.

If there is an actual difference between the three, then I'd like to know what it is. But I highly doubt there is.

please leave this forum

[Peterski]

"Veddoids" are a phenotype named after Vedda people who are a small tribe in Sri Lanka.

Australoids are related to Ancestral South Indians / Ancestral South Eurasians.

I uploaded 100% Australian Aboriginal genome to GEDmatch, check his results:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4090763

GEDmatch kit number: Z905945

Amerindians for the most part are Mongoloid, I don't think the differences are large enough to say they are a different race.

They are a different race.

It emerged from a mixture of several groups. That mixture took place in Beringia, where also a demographic bottleneck took place - and later that population settled the Americas. Most of their ancestry is Mongoloid-like, but they have also Caucasoid-like (ANE) and Negritoid-like or Australoid-like ancestry:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/i2ovtj.jpg



I believe that there is some Pre-Columbian Polynesian admixture in South America as well:

http://i.imgur.com/okkSeZx.jpg



Check also: https://genetics.med.harvard.edu/rei...6_Americas.pdf

Map: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5728/3...5215c769_b.jpg

Han = Mongoloid-like admixture
MA1 = Caucasoid-like admixture
Onge = Negritoid-like admixture



Most ancient DNA from North America:

http://www.nature.com/news/north-ame...encing-1.21108



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Edit:

The "Beringian standstill hypothesis" has been confirmed:

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0169486

Earliest Human Presence in North America Dated to the Last Glacial Maximum: New Radiocarbon Dates from Bluefish Caves, Canada

Lauriane Bourgeon, Ariane Burke, Thomas Higham

PLOS

Published: January 6, 2017

Abstract: The timing of the first entry of humans into North America is still hotly debated within the scientific community. Excavations conducted at Bluefish Caves (Yukon Territory) from 1977 to 1987 yielded a series of radiocarbon dates that led archaeologists to propose that the initial dispersal of human groups into Eastern Beringia (Alaska and the Yukon Territory) occurred during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM). This hypothesis proved highly controversial in the absence of other sites of similar age and concerns about the stratigraphy and anthropogenic signature of the bone assemblages that yielded the dates. The weight of the available archaeological evidence suggests that the first peopling of North America occurred ca. 14,000 cal BP (calibrated years Before Present), i.e., well after the LGM. Here, we report new AMS radiocarbon dates obtained on cut-marked bone samples identified during a comprehensive taphonomic analysis of the Bluefish Caves fauna. Our results demonstrate that humans occupied the site as early as 24,000 cal BP (19,650 ± 130 14C BP). In addition to proving that Bluefish Caves is the oldest known archaeological site in North America, the results offer archaeological support for the “Beringian standstill hypothesis”, which proposes that a genetically isolated human population persisted in Beringia during the LGM and dispersed from there to North and South America during the post-LGM period.

From Sarkoboros: http://sarkoboros.net/2017/01/lgm-oc...luefish-caves/

[Shah-Jehan]

Australoids are related to Ancestral South Indians / Ancestral South Eurasians.

I uploaded 100% Australian Aboriginal genome to GEDmatch, check his results:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4090763

GEDmatch kit number: Z905945

Yes, but the distances are massive, and culturally not related as well.

Also, the population for "ASI" in DNA tests used are most commonly, Paniyars from South India, or sometimes Andamanese Islanders.

[Milo]

Australoids are related to Ancestral South Indians / Ancestral South Eurasians.

I uploaded 100% Australian Aboriginal genome to GEDmatch, check his results:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4090763

GEDmatch kit number: Z905945

Single Population
# Population (source) Distance
1 Onge 8.46
2 Australian 11.34
3 Andamanese 11.34
4 Papuan 11.34
5 Paniyas 50
6 Palliyar 55.51
7 Kharia 59.47
8 Bengali 71.01
9 Punjabi_PJL 73.41
10 GujaratiD 75.01
11 GujaratiC 76.65
12 GoyetQ116 81.42
13 GujaratiB 82.13
14 GujaratiA 83.5
15 Punjabi 85.48
16 Burusho 86.43
17 Sindhi 86.64
18 Kusunda 89.35
19 Pathan 89.43
20 Kalash 90.08

Look at the distances, are you for real?
It is possible that ASI is a very very distant cousin of Australian Aborigines, but you cannot call them "related" anymore