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    Default Bosniaks from Sandzak DNA Project

    Sources: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sandzackiDNK/?fref=ts
    http://udruzenje.red/sandzacki-dnk-projekat/
    E1b-V13
    Doljenac (Požega/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Bihorac (Bihor/CG)
    Zećirović (Bijelo Polje/CG)
    Fehratović (Kruševo/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Agović (Rožaje/CG)
    Kujević (Balotiće/Rožaje/CG)
    Hadžić-Fejzić (Balotiće/Rožaje/CG)
    Muslić-Leković (Crnoča/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Belovođanin (Bijele Vode/Novi Pazar/SRB)

    I1-P109
    Duraković (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Kalender (Rožaje/CG)
    Alibašić (Suhi Do/Tutin/SRB)

    I2a1-Dinaric
    Malić (Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Gojak (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Husović (Paučina/Rožaje/CG)

    I2a2-M223
    Fetić (Kradenik/Bihor/Bijelo Polje/CG)
    Dudić (Biohane/Tutin/SRB)

    J2a1-M67
    Elfić (Novi Pazar/SRB)

    J2b2-Z638
    Bećirović (Škrijelje)

    R1b-Z2103
    Zukorlić (Orlje/Tutin/SRB)
    Redžović (Biševo/Rožaje/CG)
    Muratović (Pokrvenik/Tutin/SRB)
    Biševac (Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Zilkić (Oraše/Tutin/SRB)
    Tandir (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Maybe Bosniaks are Illyrians after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    Sources: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sandzackiDNK/?fref=ts
    http://udruzenje.red/sandzacki-dnk-projekat/
    E1b-V13
    Doljenac (Požega/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Bihorac (Bihor/CG)
    Zećirović (Bijelo Polje/CG)
    Fehratović (Kruševo/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Agović (Rožaje/CG)
    Kujević (Balotiće/Rožaje/CG)
    Hadžić-Fejzić (Balotiće/Rožaje/CG)
    Muslić-Leković (Crnoča/Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Belovođanin (Bijele Vode/Novi Pazar/SRB)

    I1-P109
    Duraković (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Kalender (Rožaje/CG)
    Alibašić (Suhi Do/Tutin/SRB)

    I2a1-Dinaric
    Malić (Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Gojak (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Husović (Paučina/Rožaje/CG)

    I2a2-M223
    Fetić (Kradenik/Bihor/Bijelo Polje/CG)
    Dudić (Biohane/Tutin/SRB)

    J2a1-M67
    Elfić (Novi Pazar/SRB)

    J2b2-Z638
    Bećirović (Škrijelje)

    R1b-Z2103
    Zukorlić (Orlje/Tutin/SRB)
    Redžović (Biševo/Rožaje/CG)
    Muratović (Pokrvenik/Tutin/SRB)
    Biševac (Novi Pazar/SRB)
    Zilkić (Oraše/Tutin/SRB)
    Tandir (Prijepolje/SRB)
    Agovic, is actually from the Kelmendi tribe of Northern Albania with origin.

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    The fact that I haplogroup is more common in the western part of Sandzak (Prijepolje, Bijelo Bolje), while E and J are more common in the east (Novi Pazar, Tutin, Rožaje) pretty much fits into my own Sandzak population theories. I am positively surprised to find out I was right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    The fact that I haplogroup is more common in the western part of Sandzak (Prijepolje, Bijelo Bolje), while E and J are more common in the east (Novi Pazar, Tutin, Rožaje) pretty much fits into my own Sandzak population theories. I am positively surprised to find out I was right.
    What are your theories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Agovic, is actually from the Kelmendi tribe of Northern Albania with origin.
    Agović is a very common surname not only in Sandzak, but in Bosnia also. There is not one single line of Agovići, there are several, which aren't connected to each other. It literally means "descendant of aga" anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    Agović is a very common surname not only in Sandzak, but in Bosnia also. There is not one single line of Agovići, there are several, which aren't connected to each other. It literally means "descendant of aga" anyway.
    Oh yeah i forgot that the vic means descendant of, but im pretty sure that there was once this person with the surname Agovic who said that he was from Kelmendi originally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    What are your theories?
    It fits linguistics. Bosniaks in West Sandzak speak ijekavica (the same dialect as Bosniaks in Bosnia), while those in the East speak ekavica (like Serbs do).

    Thus, it's more natural to have Illyrian I haplogroup (which is dominant in Bosniaks in Bosnia, some 55%) to the west, and to have (for Bosniaks) unusual haplogroups in the East (Bosniaks in Bosnia have only 5% J and 10% E haplogroup, yet East Sandzak has a lot of it).
    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post

    hus, it's more natural to have Illyrian I haplogroup
    Illyrian haplogroups among Bosniaks from this project are J2b2-Z638, R1b-Z2103 and E1b E-V13, what means that they are ex Albanians from northern tribes. Now stfu
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    It fits linguistics. Bosniaks in West Sandzak speak ijekavica (the same dialect as Bosniaks in Bosnia), while those in the East speak ekavica (like Serbs do).

    Thus, it's more natural to have Illyrian I haplogroup (which is dominant in Bosniaks in Bosnia, some 55%) to the west, and to have (for Bosniaks) unusual haplogroups in the East (Bosniaks in Bosnia have only 5% J and 10% E haplogroup, yet East Sandzak has a lot of it).
    But I would say that E was probably an Illyrian/Paleo-balkan haplogroup as well and I've heard that the I2a-din cluster is actually a Slavic marker, but i'm not 100% sure. What do you think?

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