German Death Camps

[Bezprym]

What do you mean?

Talking about PHDNM/Vincent Reynouard?

Yes, about him.

Do they still keep those unsightly German Nazi death camps in Poland as memorial sites?

Yes.

Can't they have memorial sites such as flowers planted for the victims in a quiet place elsewhere... and knock those death camp buildings down on Polish soil and create something more pleasant to look at over the land instead?

Why? To pretend something never happened? They serve educational purposes nowadays, there is no point to "purify history" when it's not pure.

[Rethel]

[Peterski]

One member of my family died in Auschwitz camp.

According to the Death Books of Auschwitz, she died on 26.12.1943.

Another family member was killed in Piasnica Wielka:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_Piaśnica

If you know about any WW2 losses in your family, you can add them here:

http://www.straty.pl/index.php/szukaj-w-bazie

If you suspect your family lost someone in Auschwitz, send an e-mail to:

ewa.bazan@auschwitz.org

Or:

archiwum@auschwitz.org

[Sandman]

Loooooooooooool

[KMack]

Holocaust Evidence - EISENHOWER'S PROOF
At the end of World War II, General Eisenhower made a decision to personally visit as many Nazi concentration camps as he could. His reason? He wanted to document the camps and their appalling conditions.

Anticipating a time when Nazi atrocities might be denied, General Eisenhower also ordered the filming and photographing of camps as they were liberated. Members of the U.S. Army Signal Corps recorded approximately 80,000 feet of moving film, together with still photographs.

Within months after the war in Europe, about 6,000 feet of that film footage was excerpted to create a one-hour documentary called "Nazi Concentration Camp". Prosecutors used the film, which is graphically gruesome, to prove that Nazi leaders, on trial at Nuremberg, had perpetrated unbelievably heinous crimes against humanity.

Thomas Dodd, one of the U.S. prosecutors, introduced the film into evidence on the 29th of November, 1945. When the lights came up, after the trial film was screened, people had a new understanding of what the words "concentration camp" really meant.

https://www.awesomestories.com/asset...caust-Evidence

[PHDNM]

The Americans and the Soviets Outdo the British

In 1951, anyway, the Jewish scholar Hannah Arendt had the honesty to write:

It is of some importance to realize that all pictures of concentration camps are misleading insofar as they show the camps in their last stages, at the moment the Allied troops marched in ... The condition of the camps was a result of the war events during the final months: Himmler had ordered the evacuation of all extermination camps in the East, the German camps were consequently vastly overcrowded, and he was no longer in a position to assure the food supply in Germany.

Let us once more recall that the expression “extermination camps” is a creation of Allied war propaganda.

Eisenhower thus followed Churchill’s lead and set about building, on an American scale, such a propaganda edifice, based on atrocity stories, that soon everything and anything came to be allowed, as much in regard to the vanquished as to the simple, factual truth. In news reports about the German camps there were added to the true horrors, as I have said, horrors truer than life. Eliminated were the photographs or film segments showing inmates with beaming faces, such as that of Marcel Paul, or those in relatively good health despite the severe shortages or epidemics, or, as at Dachau, the healthy Hungarian Jewish mothers with their babes-in-arms. Instead, the public was only shown images of the sickly, the wasted, the human rags, who were actually just as much victims of the Allies as of the Germans, for the former, with their carpet-bombing of the whole of Germany and their systematic aerial strafing of civilians – even of farm workers in the fields – had brought about an apocalypse in the heart of Europe.

Respect for the truth will oblige one to remark that neither Churchill, nor Eisenhower, nor Truman, nor de Gaulle was impudent enough to lend credence to the tales of chemical slaughterhouses. They left that job to their propaganda specialists and to the judges of their military tribunals. Appalling tortures were inflicted on the Germans who, in the eyes of the Allies, were guilty of all of those “crimes.” Reprisals were carried out against German prisoners and civilians. As late as 1951 German men and women were being hanged. (Even in the 1980s, the Soviets were still shooting German or German-allied “war criminals.”) British and American soldiers, at first quite taken aback at the sight both of the German cities reduced to rubble, and of their inhabitants turned into cave-dwellers, could return home with peace of mind. Churchill and Eisenhower were there to vouch for the Truth: the Allied forces had brought down Evil; they embodied Good; there was to be a program of “re-education” for the defeated Germans, including the burning by the millions of their bad books. All told, the Great Slaughter had come to a happy ending, and had been carried out for a righteous cause. Such was the fraud made holy by the Nuremberg show-trial.

A Fraud at Last Denounced in 1995

It took no less than 50 years for a historian, Annette Wieviorka, and a filmmaker, William Karel, to reveal to the general public, in a documentary entitled Contre l’oubli (“Against Forgetting”), the 1945 American and Soviet stagings and fabrications carried out in the context of the liberation of the camps in East and West.

Wieviorka, a French Jew, and Karel, an Israeli who has lived in France since 1985, have manifestly been influenced by the French revisionist school. Although quite hostile toward the latter, they have nonetheless admitted that the time has at last come to denounce some of the exterminationist propaganda’s most glaring fictions. On this subject one may refer either to an article by the journalist Philippe Cusin57 or, especially, to another article that Béatrice Bocard prepared for the repeat broadcast of “Against Forgetting” on Antenne 2 television, a piece whose title alone says a great deal: “The Shoah, from reality to the spectacle. The indecent stagings by the liberators in the face of the deportees’ accounts.” In it Bocard wrote:


With only slight exaggeration, it might be said that the liberation of the concentration camps introduced the reality shows ... The first signs of the genre of spectacles that television channels like CNN were to make commonplace 50 years later were already there, with attempts to outdo [one another] at indecency, at voyeurism, and with recourse to staging ... The least infirm of the survivors were made to repeat their script before the cameras: “I was deported because I was Jewish,” says one of them. Once, twice ... Not to be outdone by the American “show,” the Soviets, who had done nothing at the time of the Auschwitz camp’s liberation, shot a “fake liberation” a few weeks afterwards, with Polish extras enthusiastically greeting the soldiers ... “William Karel is the first to have dissected these false images that we had always been told, until quite recently, were genuine,” says Annette Wieviorka. How had it been possible to accept them? “People are not in the habit of questioning images as they question texts,” the historian explains. “The example of the [purported] mass graves at Timosoara [Romania, December 1989] is not too distant.”

It goes without saying that, in this article by Bocard, the manipulations were presented as being offensive ... for the internees. Some German soldiers and civilians denounced this sort of fakery as early as 1945 but, instead of being believed, they were accused of Nazism or anti-Semitism.

http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/19/1/Faurisson2.html

[PHDNM]

[♥ Lily ♥]

Yes, about him.



Yes.



Why? To pretend something never happened? They serve educational purposes nowadays, there is no point to "purify history" when it's not pure.

I don't intend to purify history nor pretend that it never happened;- pictures of concentration camps can still be kept in books and videos for educational purposes.... but I don't think it's healthy for people to dwell on the past too much as the past can't be changed.

It's so depressing to look at pictures of concentration camps in Poland.... let alone what it must feel like for people having to still see them in their country. Nobody wants to go through life feeling like a helpless and weak victim or being constantly reminded that people hated and bullied them in the past, so I think replacing such depressing and negative sites with more positive sites around them for the future will make the Polish people feel more self-empowered and self-confident about themselves. Flowers can be laid for the victims somewhere.... but to still see ugly concentration camp buildings is eerie and depressing.

An analogy could be drawn with someone who is bullied or abused in school, or in a relationship.... they're not going to want to see pictures all over their home reminding them of their attacker or abusive partner which they'll probably want to get rid of with the rubbish, nor constantly be near a place that holds traumatic memories for them. They'll want to overcome the negative feelings of being a helpless victim in order to be able to leave the past behind them, rather than dwelling on it.

If Polish people prefer to keep the concentration camps in their country, than that's their own choice.... but if something like that had happened in my country, I would prefer it if the concentration camps were eradicated and knocked-down as a self-empowering and positive sign of victory for people to be able to move forward.

[Enflamme]

This + read revisionnist (for the person who created this thread) :v

[Enflamme]

One member of my family died in Auschwitz camp.

According to the Death Books of Auschwitz, she died on 26.12.1943.

Another family member was killed in Piasnica Wielka:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_Piaśnica

If you know about any WW2 losses in your family, you can add them here:

http://www.straty.pl/index.php/szukaj-w-bazie

If you suspect your family lost someone in Auschwitz, send an e-mail to:

ewa.bazan@auschwitz.org

Or:

archiwum@auschwitz.org

Gas chambers does not exist.

This family are dead in an imaginary chambers that does not exist.