Racial classification within the White Family + a list of non-existant phenotypes

[Enflamme]

So, Atlantid doesn't exist? Wooow

Where is this mongoloid of Antimage?

ROLF

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[Zroota]

Really handy, informative thread.

[The Blade]

First of all, these are not all phenotypes initially described by anthropologists. Your scheme lacks:
1) Pontid - a separate type of Mediterranean with higher and broader forehead, brow bone not as prominent as the usual for Atlanto-Mediterraneans, chin less developed than Atlanto-Med mean, different occiput type. Although not the major Mediterranean type in Bulgaria, it's still present here (especially in northeastern areas of the country) and Southeastern Europe in general.
Pontic Mediterranean from Chepelare, Bulgaria:

Comparisons of Atlanto-Mediterranean and Pontid distribution in Bulgaria:
- first one is a study Bulgarian anthropologist Petar Boev conducted among several groups. Here only relatively unmixed types are discussed because no country gets a total of 100% and it's a Sisyphus labour describing heavily mixed phenotypes like 5,5% Atlanto-Mediterranean + Alpine + Dinaric, 4,1% Nordic + Borreby + Alpine, etc. Anyway, here it is (the generally Mediterranean category covers various Mediterranean types but mainly Pontid and Gracile Med, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean which is the prevailing one deals only with the specific type of the same name):

- a map, again from Boev, regarding the predominant type(s) of the Bulgarian population in each region of the state. Source: Р. Boev. Die Rassentypen der Balkanhalbinsel und der Ostägäischen Inselwelt und deren Bedeutung für die Herkunft ihrer Bevölkerung. S., 1972. Atlanto-Mediterranean is in red, Pontic one in violet:

2) North Pontid - a mixture of Pontic Mediterranean with the Nordid (chiefly Corded) types.
From Bunak:


3) East Cromagnid - a brachycephalic type which is nowadays rare in its pure form. It was common in the Andronovo culture.
A Scythian of East Cromagnid type:

Another image of an East Cromagnid Scythian. Note how the upper lip is longer than the lower one - a trait often seen among representatives of this type:

East Cromagnid skull:

East Cromagnid from the Andronovo culture:

4) East Baltic is not a purely Europoid phenotype. This is evident by its look (flat face, flat nose, Uralic Mongoloid skull, epicanthus) and is also the opinion of anthropologists and scientists who studied this matter. Neo-Danubian is East Baltic with a stronger Nordic element in the mix. Another Europo-Mongoloid type with an East Cromagnid element involved in its formation is Turanid:

5) Blends of certain phenotypes described originally by anthropologists exist (some in particularly good quantity) in some regions, whether you like it or not.
6) As you are (at least partly) going by Coon here, you should have placed Irano-Afghan in Nordic category because that's what he did. On the contrary, it was Earnest Hooton and Bertil Lundman who placed it in Mediterranean one. Renato Biasutti defined Irano-Afghan as having "brunet-white color, very dark hair and eyes, abundant pilosity; medium stature (165), slim body; very long (74) and high head with prominent occiput; long face; large and high nose with root at the level of the forehead, straight or convex spine, strongly curved nostrils (64); full lips, robust chin". He discussed Assyroid and Libyid subtypes. Later, an Irano-Nordid type as a mix of Iranid and Corded was described and recognized by anthropologists.
An example which fits the Irano-Nordic category is politician Mohammad-Ali Ramin:


7) Dalofaelid isn't even a creation of Hans Günther. It was first observed by Paudler in Dalarna, Sweden (1924). From there the dalisch/dalofalisch and dalische Rasse/Dalsrasse terms. Importantly, Dalofaelid is in fact considered by most anthropologists (including Paudler, Herman Lundborg and other early pioneers) a fully Cro-Magnon type (not a CM/Nordid mix, as some like to point:

Hans Günther only considered it more common in Westphalia than in Dalarna - a very debatable claim of his, indeed.

[Zroota]

First of all, these are not all phenotypes initially described by anthropologists. Your scheme lacks:
1) Pontid - a separate type of Mediterranean with higher and broader forehead, brow bone not as prominent as the usual for Atlanto-Mediterraneans, chin less developed than Atlanto-Med mean, different occiput type. Although not the major Mediterranean type in Bulgaria, it's still present here (especially in northeastern areas of the country) and Southeastern Europe in general.
Pontic Mediterranean from Chepelare, Bulgaria:

Comparisons of Atlanto-Mediterranean and Pontid distribution in Bulgaria:
- first one is a study Bulgarian anthropologist Petar Boev conducted among several groups. Here only relatively unmixed types are discussed because no country gets a total of 100% and it's a Sisyphus labour describing heavily mixed phenotypes like 5,5% Atlanto-Mediterranean + Alpine + Dinaric, 4,1% Nordic + Borreby + Alpine, etc. Anyway, here it is (the generally Mediterranean category covers various Mediterranean types but mainly Pontid and Gracile Med, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean which is the prevailing one deals only with the specific type of the same name):

Are Pontids and "East Meds" synonymous though? And did any anthropologists speak of East Meds?

To note, you classified me as East Med. It's just that I don't see it as an official phenotype. Or maybe some anthropologists regard it as such?

[The Blade]

Are Pontids and "East Meds" synonymous though? And did any anthropologists speak of East Meds?

To note, you classified me as East Med. It's just that I don't see it as an official phenotype. Or maybe some anthropologists regard it as such?

It (East Med) is an umbrella term. Obviously there are several kinds of look associated with it. I am not a big fan of it but use it, as no better terms for some of the possible subtypes exist. Some, like Lundman, included Pontid as an East Med variety.
I personally use the Pontid term only for the specific subtype, not as a synonym.
Having seen your photos, I would say you could fit in Turkey, Balkans and Italy, anyway. As less common also in Iberia, France and Hungary.

[Zroota]

It (East Med) is an umbrella term. Obviously there are several kinds of look associated with it. I am not a big fan of it but use it, as no better terms for some of the possible subtypes exist. Some, like Lundman, included Pontid as an East Med variety.
I personally use the Pontid term only for the specific subtype, not as a synonym.
Having seen your photos, I would say you could fit in Turkey, Balkans and Italy, anyway. As less common also in Iberia, France and Hungary.

Not a fan of it as well, but I use it for the same reason as you use it - Lack of any better terms for eastern Mediterranean peoples. When I'm very specific I do go for "gracile-med + syrid" instead of "east med".

[Silver Lining]

3. Faelid
A type invented by Gunther, a politically-motivated creation just like rest of his phenotypes. He glorified Nordic race as a part of Nazi ideology, but as the time went by, it was discovered that Germany’s greatest figures (like Leibniz, Kant and Schopenhauer) were all brachycephalic. So he conveniently created “Faelisch” type, which consisted of individuals that would be classified by Coon and others as Borreby, East Baltic, Brunn and Alpine, and he defined it as a sub-type of Nordid race.
This is what imaginary “Faelid” was supposed to look like:

If you learned anthropology from internet forums, rather than from books, then these examples will be a huge surprise for you…

This doesn't make sense, you moron. Dalofaelid are described as medium- or long-headed. If it was a politically motivated creation wouldn't they have claimed it to be short-headed? This is fake news "anti-fascist" sociologist have spread through the last decades. Again: Dalofaelid long-headed, not short-headed like they use to claim.

[NSXD60]

A typical Betty White

[Norb]

I actually doubt autosomal calculators are so accurate- they still need many, many refinements.
For example, according to MDLP calculator, we are closer to Swedes than to Albanians, or closer to Romanians and southern Germans than to Bosnians. According to some, Spaniards are closer to Norwegians than to southern Italians. Or also, according to them, UP Europeans are "woggy" and Mesolithic Europeans are "pure Europeans", despite the fact that they are anthropologicaly almost completely identical. Those are just a few examples of many logical fallacies those "genetics" are advocating.
Norwegian Alpine would be closer in all regards to Italian Alpine than to Norwegian Hallstatt, regardless of what those calculators say, as they have made many, many extreme fallacies so far.

why is this?

None of those three imaginary types seem to be fully UP.
Original CMs were dark haired (not black, but brown), sometimes with reddish-dark hair or pure red (ash blonde/brown hair is definitely NOT CM trait). Their eyes were light-mixed blue, occasionally dark. Their skin was very light, with freckles and often with pronounced vascularity.