The oldest known White person lived 11,000 years ago in Ukraine

[Peterski]

They are to the east of SHGs, which are between WHGs and EHGs

SHGs are not "between WHGs and EHGs". They are EHG-admixed.

Also archaeology confirms immigration of EHGs to Scandinavia:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=sarc20&

"The First Eastern Migrations of People and Knowledge into Scandinavia:
Evidence from Studies of Mesolithic Technology, 9th-8th Millennium BC

Abstract:

In this paper a team of Scandinavian researchers identifies and describes a Mesolithic technological concept, referred to as ‘the conical core pressure blade’ concept, and investigates how this concept spread into Fennoscandia and across Scandinavia. Using lithic technological, contextual archaeological and radiocarbon analyses, it is demonstrated that this blade concept arrived with ‘post-Swiderian’ hunter-gatherer groups from the Russian plain into northern Fennoscandia and the eastern Baltic during the 9th millennium BC. From there it was spread by migrating people and/or as transmitted knowledge through culture contacts into interior central Sweden, Norway and down along the Norwegian coast. However it was also spread into southern Scandinavia, where it was formerly identified as the Maglemosian technogroup 3 (or the ‘Sværdborg phase’). In this paper it is argued that the identification and spread of the conical core pressure blade concept represents the first migration of people, technology and ideas into Scandinavia from the south-eastern Baltic region and the Russian plain."

[Peterski]

Face it, all this extra ANE(aka Amerindian, aka Balto-Slavic) is darkening Europeans.

ROTFL. Balto-Slavs have the highest level of WHG admixture in Europe today.

BTW, already WHG was a mixture of Upper Paleolithic European + ANE:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post211645

Ukraine will be the M269 home. These aren't "pure" WHG. They have more ANE. To put WHG and pure in the same breath is incorrect. WHG is a mix of UP Euro + ANE. As I've said many times. WHG & Native Americans share a good chunk of ancestry.

And no, ANE is not darkening, because light skin mutations originate from ANE:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014...ontova-gora-2/

Mal’ta 1 had two copies of the ancestral allele of rs1426654, but Afontova Gora 2 had two copies of the derived allele. This SNP is located in the gene SLC24A5, and its derived allele is one of the two major Caucasoid depigmentation mutations. The other major Caucasoid depigmentation mutation is the derived allele of rs16891982, in the gene SLC45A2.

[XenophobicPrussian]

SHGs are not "between WHGs and EHGs". They are EHG-admixed.

Also archaeology confirms immigration of EHGs to Scandinavia:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=sarc20&

"The First Eastern Migrations of People and Knowledge into Scandinavia:
Evidence from Studies of Mesolithic Technology, 9th-8th Millennium BC

Abstract:

In this paper a team of Scandinavian researchers identifies and describes a Mesolithic technological concept, referred to as ‘the conical core pressure blade’ concept, and investigates how this concept spread into Fennoscandia and across Scandinavia. Using lithic technological, contextual archaeological and radiocarbon analyses, it is demonstrated that this blade concept arrived with ‘post-Swiderian’ hunter-gatherer groups from the Russian plain into northern Fennoscandia and the eastern Baltic during the 9th millennium BC. From there it was spread by migrating people and/or as transmitted knowledge through culture contacts into interior central Sweden, Norway and down along the Norwegian coast. However it was also spread into southern Scandinavia, where it was formerly identified as the Maglemosian technogroup 3 (or the ‘Sværdborg phase’). In this paper it is argued that the identification and spread of the conical core pressure blade concept represents the first migration of people, technology and ideas into Scandinavia from the south-eastern Baltic region and the Russian plain."

Yes, they are EHG admixed, which means they're inbetween. I didn't say halfway inbetween.

Look how east the Ukrainian HGs are of SHGs on the new paper PCA plot then look at the distance between EHGs and SHGs on this one. Ukrainian HGs would be pretty close to EHGs.

When you say "EHGs were lighter skinned than WHGs" you basically imply this was caused by Amerindian admixture. It was differing diets(if there even was a pigmentation difference, again, you really can't know what skin colour they had basing it off modern skin colour SNPs), and WHG admixture is still what makes Europeans unique from everyone else.

[XenophobicPrussian]

ROTFL. Balto-Slavs have the highest level of WHG admixture in Europe today.

BTW, already WHG was a mixture of Upper Paleolithic European + ANE:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post211645



And no, ANE is not darkening, because light skin mutations originate from ANE:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2014...ontova-gora-2/

No, they don't. Balts may have a bit more than Scandinavians(Slavs definitely don't) but Scandinavians are still closer to WHGs than Balts(and way closer to them than Slavs) because Amerindian is farther from WHGs than Basal Eurasian/Natufian is.

It is darkening, especially in terms of eye/hair pigmentation. You can see this in modern populations, as well as ancient ones. If it wasn't, Yamnaya should be light since they were still 70%+ EHG. As they got more WHG, they got lighter. Your skin argument is flawed, you cannot know what skin colour WHGs had, and skin is only one of the 3(skin, hair, eyes).

[Peterski]

and WHG admixture is still what makes Europeans unique from everyone else.

And WHG admixture today peaks in North-Eastern Europe. Just like ANE.

What distinguishes North-East Europe from North-West Europe is less EEF.

North-West Europeans have almost as much ANE as North-East Europeans.

[Peterski]

Amerindian is farther from WHGs than Basal Eurasian/Natufian is.

No it is not, because ANE is not even the same thing as Amerindian.

Amerindian = East Asian (Han) + ANE (MA1) + Australoid/Negrito (Onge):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4219417

Native Americans were triracial to begin with, Mongoloid + ANE + Negrito:





And ANE (MA1) is the Caucasoid fraction of Amerindian ancestry:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2013...ical-features/

[XenophobicPrussian]

And WHG admixture today peaks in North-Eastern Europe. Just like ANE.

What distinguishes North-East Europe from North-West Europe is less EEF.

North-West Europeans have almost as much ANE as North-East Europeans.

Yes, less EEF in NE Europe, therefore less WHG, because EEF was 55-60% WHG. Again, Balts technically have 1-2 % points more WHG than Scandos, but Scandos and even Irish are closer to WHGs because Basal Eurasian is closer to WHG. No Slavs have more WHG admixture than Scandos, nevermind being closer on PCAs.



Look how much farther ANE is from WHG than Basal Eurasian is to WHG. It's like negro admixture vs Arab admixture. One person may have 10% SSA admixture and another may have 10% Arab admixture, but they aren't equally 10% non-white, the person with 10% Arab admixture is still much closer to other whites than the person with 10% SSA admixture is. This is why NW Euros are much closer to WHGs than NE Euros are on PCA plots.

[XenophobicPrussian]

No it is not, because ANE is not even the same thing as Amerindian.

Amerindian = East Asian (Han) + ANE (MA1) + Australoid/Negrito (Onge):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4219417

Native Americans were triracial to begin with, Mongoloid + ANE + Negrito:





And ANE (MA1) is the Caucasoid fraction of Amerindian ancestry:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2013...ical-features/

Amerindians don't have any Onge admixture. You have officially lost your marbles.

ANE is 60% WHG and 40% Amerindian. Amerindians do not have any ANE admixture, this is Genetiker propganda who couldn't fathom the idea that Europeans have Amerindian admixture so he tried to claim Amerindians have European admixture instead. Amerindians are a population outlier on PCA plots, therefore they are a source of admixture, not admixed. They are not East Asian+something else, they share a common East Asian ancestor. Amerindians cannot have ANE admixture as they are not inbetween ANE and East Asians on PCA plots.

The best proxy for the non-WHG admixture in ANE is Amerindian, not any Japanese or Han like East Asian admixture.



The west-east shift in Europeans(as well as Arabs vs Iranians/Afghans/etc) is solely due to Amerindian admixture. This is an undisputed fact. You can either accept it or continue to pretend that "Baltid" isn't just a polite way of saying 10% Amerindian admixture.

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White?

[glass]

Browns eyes should rule out "first white" title, because light eyes is most distinctive feature of white person, and it is recessive trait