Wikileaks: Between 2003 and 2009 109,032 deaths in Iraq

[Loki]

I'm just so glad Uncle Sam got rid of Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction ... otherwise we poor sods in Europe would have laid in ruins now!! Thank God.

[blan]

they killed more civilians than anyone other group of people!?
and what is all this about america being this amazing force that is so highly trained? maybe i am wrong maybe many of these death were caused my insurgents but still, it seems to be routine to kill anyone you want,
i have talked to vets who tell me stories about wasting people simply because they felt like it. not lets see how many american troops have been killed in iraq.
the terrorists are winning, they provoked such a situation where they have got more people killed than 50 9/11s put together.

[Psychonaut]

and what is all this about america being this amazing force that is so highly trained?

We are; our training the shit. Which is exactly why we have lost less than 5,000 people amidst a war that has claimed the lives of over a hundred thousand. The thing you've got to understand about tactical training is that the main focus is not the prevention of civilian casualties that is incidental to the twofold duty of any leader: accomplishment of the mission and the welfare of his soldiers. Our training is entirely geared around this—accomplishing our objective at minimal loss to our own people, and in this no one can touch us.

it seems to be routine to kill anyone you want, i have talked to vets who tell me stories about wasting people simply because they felt like it.

EIther you're a liar or you hang out with liars.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I'm just so glad Uncle Sam got rid of Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction ... otherwise we poor sods in Europe would have laid in ruins now!! Thank God.

Do remember who's your master. America could take on all of Europe and still win.

[poiuytrewq0987]

Amerika Uber Alles!

[The Ripper]

Many times that number has sought refuge in Europe.

USA out of Iraq, Iraq out of Europe.

[Sol Invictus]

The Central Intelligence Agency has long acknowledged and analyzed the concept of blowback in our foreign policy. It still amazes me that so many think that attacks against our soldiers occupying hostile foreign lands are motivated by hatred toward our system of government at home or by the religion of the attackers. In fact, most of the anger towards us is rooted in reactions towards seeing their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and other loved ones being killed by a foreign army. No matter our intentions, the violence of our militarism in foreign lands causes those residents to seek revenge if innocents are killed. One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human.

-Ron Paul

Members of U.S. platoon in Afghanistan accused of killing civilians for sport

The Washington Post
September 17, 2010

The U.S. soldiers hatched a plan as simple as it was savage: to randomly target and kill an Afghan civilian, and to get away with it.

For weeks, according to Army charging documents, rogue members of a platoon from the 5th Stryker Combat Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, floated the idea.

Then, one day last winter, a solitary Afghan man approached them in the village of La Mohammed Kalay. The “kill team” activated the plan.

One soldier created a ruse that they were under attack, tossing a fragmentary grenade on the ground. Then others opened fire.

According to charging documents, the unprovoked, fatal attack on Jan. 15 was the start of a months-long shooting spree against Afghan civilians that resulted in some of the grisliest allegations against American soldiers since the U.S. invasion in 2001.

Members of the platoon have been charged with dismembering and photographing corpses, as well as hoarding a skull and other human bones.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...803935_pf.html

[Austin]

Many times that number has sought refuge in Europe.

USA out of Iraq, Iraq out of Europe.

Yes but who opens the doors when they get to Europe's borders? Oh that's right there is no door Europe just lets them in.

Bad immigration policies by Europe are not America's fault. There will always be a stream of poor people who want into Europe from some disaster areas. It is not America's decision whether they are allowed in.

This is a common theme among Europeans and is used as a cheap scapegoat for what is a European domestic issue that is more easily blamed on America than dealt with at home. America is pinned as the facilitator of immigrants to Europe while European immigration policy is wide open or has been for decades. America does not control Europe in any respect. There wouldn't be an EU if it did as such an economic entity hurts our economic dominance by existing at all. Europe should not speak with two tongues in this respect.

If Europe desires less immigrants/immigrant related crime then adopt stronger immigration policies/laws and accept the fact that European justice needs to evolve. Europe needs more people in prison such as in the U.S. This would alleviate much of Europe's immigrant gangs/miscreants as it does in the U.S., half or more of prisoners in the U.S. are non-white.

Also be honest Europe doesn't have mass immigrant populations now because of past/current U.S. conflicts. Europe has for many years now had a policy of mass immigration being welcomed and internally facilitated. I can find that out by reading these boards at a glance. Europe can no longer eat pie and still have cake in terms of immigrants.

[poiuytrewq0987]

The Central Intelligence Agency has long acknowledged and analyzed the concept of blowback in our foreign policy. It still amazes me that so many think that attacks against our soldiers occupying hostile foreign lands are motivated by hatred toward our system of government at home or by the religion of the attackers. In fact, most of the anger towards us is rooted in reactions towards seeing their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and other loved ones being killed by a foreign army. No matter our intentions, the violence of our militarism in foreign lands causes those residents to seek revenge if innocents are killed. One does not have to be Muslim to react this way, just human.

-Ron Paul

Members of U.S. platoon in Afghanistan accused of killing civilians for sport

The Washington Post
September 17, 2010

The U.S. soldiers hatched a plan as simple as it was savage: to randomly target and kill an Afghan civilian, and to get away with it.

For weeks, according to Army charging documents, rogue members of a platoon from the 5th Stryker Combat Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, floated the idea.

Then, one day last winter, a solitary Afghan man approached them in the village of La Mohammed Kalay. The “kill team” activated the plan.

One soldier created a ruse that they were under attack, tossing a fragmentary grenade on the ground. Then others opened fire.

According to charging documents, the unprovoked, fatal attack on Jan. 15 was the start of a months-long shooting spree against Afghan civilians that resulted in some of the grisliest allegations against American soldiers since the U.S. invasion in 2001.

Members of the platoon have been charged with dismembering and photographing corpses, as well as hoarding a skull and other human bones.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...803935_pf.html

Thankfully, the US is immune to war crimes charges.

[Austin]

I know it will shock you but I did a paper in university which basically stated that war crimes are a complete fallacy and due to being impossible to enforce might as well not exist. I got an A+

In the paper I said that if I was the leader of Sudan I'd write a public apology letter to every member state of the ICC (International Criminal Court) detailing and apologizing for their governments wasting 100$ million dollars to send me a letter of arrest and guilt. I would then sign the letter of apology and go back to ruling my country.

Believe it or not I and many others in the world think the whole idea of war crimes are laughable at best.