Global Warming is the greatest scam in history

[Skandi]

The earth is indeed heating up it does that all the time the last global maximum had temperatures 15-16 degrees higher than now, and no polar ice caps at all. The mini ice age was just the opposite, I have heard reports that we are coming out of an Ice age and going into another (I suppose both are technically true) So it just depends which of the processes is having the largest impact at the moment. Man may be accelerating the process and we may also be reducing the ability of the planet to compensate for the changes, but no matter what happens it is not going to "destroy the earth" as the Hippy brigade would like you to think.

[Allenson]

Climate is not a static thing--it is always in flux, always correcting iteself, re-correcting and adjusting once again.

It is quite clear that we have been in a warmer phase for the past 100 years or so. One can not argue against retreating glaciers and retreating icepack at the poles. One can not argue against lower elevation deciduous tree species that are starting to creep up the mountain sides and colonize where formerly only the conifers reigned supreme. These things are happening.

The question really boils down to this: how much of an impact, if any, does humanity have on the recent changes?

Me thinks that we share at least some of the responsibility but by no means all. It seems that the industrial revolution and the incredible increase in carbon emissions since then coincided with a natural upswing in global temperatures. In short, we are enhancing an already naturally occuring process.

What we need is a massive volcano erruption & subsequent ash plume to reduce the solar energy reaching the earth for a spell--that'll cool things down a bit.

[Æmeric]

Be careful of what you wish for.

[Spillip]

You only hear about Global Warming when theres a hot spell, Britain is currently in it's coldest winter for over a decade and I've never known Snow this heavy since I was 5 years old, nobody is even thinking about Global Warming at the moment but you wait in the Summer when we have a week of above average tempretures it will be all over the news with so called Ecologists talking about the O-Zone layer and Government putting tax up on air travel and cars.

I think Global Warming should be re-named Extreme Weather as thats what seems to be happening these days weather is just so un-predictable and is from one extreme to the other throughout the year.

This is the first time we've had real snow in what? seven or eight years? When I was child there was a guaranteed week of snow cover every year. Global-warming denial is a distinctly American thing. The only non-Americans I've ever known espouse conspiracy theories about evil hippies destroying the freedom of sweet, gentle unrestrained capitalism are those who've been heavily influenced by online neo-conism. They don't exist in the real world outside of America.

Everyone in Britain knows that, on average, the temperature is increasing. The fact that we're freaking out about two days of snow, as though we'd never seen it before is testament to that fact.

The truth is GW is a genuine ecological event that has been corrupted beyond recognition by the sensationalism of the media and the retardism of politics. No source can be trusted to report objectively on the matter, and positions on this purely scientific problem are almost always determined by political stance. It's quite sickening. GW is an obvious fact. The causes need to be studied rationally and scientifically. Science is a noble subject and it's revolting to see it infected with the insipidity of politics. Mainstream scientists play to the media for on political grounds. Papers/blogs report 'facts' on political grounds.

To me, global warming is comparable to the evolution debate: It's a mainly American thing, and has a marked liberal/neo-con split. The worst thing is that these people who believe science is bound to their ideology are a majority and feel no shame.

[stormlord]

The theory behind global warming is essentially sound (although there is a bit of a bait and switch where people assume either global warming isn't happening, or if it is then it automatically follows it's man made, despite the fact that the Earth's temperature has fluctuated wildly for millions of years without our help), the trouble is in the huge level of distortion made by scientists who don't have adequate data to substantiate their ideas. Pollution does cause more heat to be trapped in the atmosphere, but we don't know how much or what capacity Earth's ecology has to compensate. It's possible what we're doing is the equivalent to spitting in the ocean to raise sea levels, or that it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. However complex problems don't appeal to most people so it's either "OMG THE WORLDS GOING TO EXPLODE" or "GLOBAL WARMING IS COMPLETELY MADE UP", when the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

In any case it is laughable how "human centric" so called environmentalists are, because we can't "destroy the world"; even if it's completely uninhabitable for humans, 95% of all other species, along with the ecosystems will adapt and be perfectly fine.

[Allenson]

The truth is GW is a genuine ecological event that has been corrupted beyond recognition by the sensationalism of the media and the retardism of politics. No source can be trusted to report objectively on the matter, and positions on this purely scientific problem are almost always determined by political stance.

Perfectly said--this is exactly what makes the matter so difficult to learn about and discuss. It takes some serious sifting and discernement to get cold (no pun intended), hard, scientific facts that have not been tampered with by any political entity.

[Pino]

This is the first time we've had real snow in what? seven or eight years? When I was child there was a guaranteed week of snow cover every year. Global-warming denial is a distinctly American thing. The only non-Americans I've ever known espouse conspiracy theories about evil hippies destroying the freedom of sweet, gentle unrestrained capitalism are those who've been heavily influenced by online neo-conism. They don't exist in the real world outside of America.

Everyone in Britain knows that, on average, the temperature is increasing. The fact that we're freaking out about two days of snow, as though we'd never seen it before is testament to that fact.

The truth is GW is a genuine ecological event that has been corrupted beyond recognition by the sensationalism of the media and the retardism of politics. No source can be trusted to report objectively on the matter, and positions on this purely scientific problem are almost always determined by political stance. It's quite sickening. GW is an obvious fact. The causes need to be studied rationally and scientifically. Science is a noble subject and it's revolting to see it infected with the insipidity of politics. Mainstream scientists play to the media for on political grounds. Papers/blogs report 'facts' on political grounds.

To me, global warming is comparable to the evolution debate: It's a mainly American thing, and has a marked liberal/neo-con split. The worst thing is that these people who believe science is bound to their ideology are a majority and feel no shame.

Winters are milder but Summers are just turning into Rain seasons, as I've said the weather system doesn't know what it wants to do with it's self.

I just dont see how global warming is taking place since we are polluteing at a faster rate everyday yet we are going through the coldest winter in 15 years.

[SwordoftheVistula]

This is the first time we've had real snow in what? seven or eight years? When I was child there was a guaranteed week of snow cover every year. Global-warming denial is a distinctly American thing. The only non-Americans I've ever known espouse conspiracy theories about evil hippies destroying the freedom of sweet, gentle unrestrained capitalism are those who've been heavily influenced by online neo-conism. They don't exist in the real world outside of America.

The EU President recently declared that climate change is a myth. Also, one of the main advocates against the global warming scam is University of Copenhagen Professor Bjarne Andresen.

As to the influence of politics, most of the 'global warming' claims come from government funded institutions and studies, and they conveniently come up with findings that support the imposition of greater control of society by the governments from which they receive their money Just like when they come up with findings of 'entrenched institutional racism'.

[Spillip]

The EU President recently declared that climate change is a myth. Also, one of the main advocates against the global warming scam is University of Copenhagen Professor Bjarne Andresen.

As to the influence of politics, most of the 'global warming' claims come from government funded institutions and studies, and they conveniently come up with findings that support the imposition of greater control of society by the governments from which they receive their money Just like when they come up with findings of 'entrenched institutional racism'.

Anthropogenic global warming denial is primarily an American neo-con thing. I don't see how pro-environment measures that would severely damage capitalism and the governments that thrive on it are somehow elements of a greater scheme to destroy personal liberty.

Because neo-cons are capitalists, and equate "freedom" to financial freedom, they're incapable of understanding how capitalism constrains non-economic liberty (of which they have no understanding), and therefore ironically judge threats to the economic system as attacks on 'freedom'. Personally, I don't see it. If every measure proposed by 'greens' were implemented tomorrow, the average citizen would have as much liberty as he has today. If his employer goes bankrupt, then perhaps more. The profit of businesses isn't my interest. The coffers of governments are not my interest. The 'freedoms' of industry don't bother me at all. I only care about individual liberty. I welcome damage to capitalism because it is a threat to personal liberty.

But none of that is in the least bit relevant to whether the climate is changing (which it obviously is), or why it's changing (which everyone has an opinion on, yet no one at all has a right to). I neither know who the EU president is nor care what he thinks. Is he a scientist? Can he explain why no one should investigate whether changes in atmospheric composition can elicit changes in climate, or is his dismissal another boring attempt of a retarded politician to earn kudos with whichever group he feels it's necessary to impress in order to secure his standing, or smooth his transition to political position X, or increase his approval ratings among group Y, or regain the favour of group Z now that elections are on the horizon? That's what I thought. I couldn't care less what politicians say about science (or anything, tbh). They always serve an agenda, and that agenda is never scientific curiosity.

[woody]

I'm 34. It just snowed, for the 2nd time this season, here in Mooresville, NC. When I was a kid, we got snow every year. 20 years of "heat wave"? I've also heard the theories behind a 1000 year minor ice age that ended in 1850. Obviously, during the ending of an ice age, there WILL be global warming. That's how the damn ice age ends. But, I also think that over a 20, Hel, even 100 year study showing that global temperature increase is fair to say that we have the power over every natural elemental influence in our Solar System. The time that man has been on Earth is just a fart in time. On a grand scale, it's like saying that because you have an upset stomach, you are going to die. It lasts for a little while, then you "heal". The Earth does the same thing. Is it hotter during the summer than it was when I was a kid? Hel yeah! But, could that also be because, as I get older, I become less tolerant of the heat? Probably. Life cycles, species come and go. If we were to be able to go back and save every animal that has ever gone into extinction, well, that would be a mess.

Everything cycles. In due time, we will be gone from this earth, to make way for another set of creatures that will eventually evolve to destroy itself...or, will nature just cycle? I think the Sun spots and natural activities within the earth (hey, the earth is a big spinning blob of molten crap) have much more influence on the planet than our short spell of industrialization. Sure, we don't help the environment much with smoke and pollution, but didn't all the ingredients that go into making those plastic bottles come from the earth?

Science can prove and disprove everything. I quit listening to them a long time ago.