Owners of Black Slaves - ARABS/MUSLIMS (First Owners of Black Slaves) - Hidden History

[JohnSmith]

Black slaves still fared better than trans-atlantic slave trade in the Mideast. Some even rose to high ranks like Antar Bin Shadad who was even before the rise of Islam. You also should know that Arabians were also taken a slaves by Africans especially the Ethiopians. Some were even present in Mali as slaves. Thus even Arabs were enslaved. Also the Ethiopians justified enslaving the Arabians because they were pagans and they tried to force Christianity upon us.

Doubtful,, many black African males died during the castration process.

[StonyArabia]

You forgot to mention
The White slave trade of the Arabs
http://www.ironbarkresources.com/sla...teslaves07.htm

North African pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780 in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall, according to new research.
Thousands of white Christians were seized every year to work as galley slaves, labourers and concubines for Muslim overlords in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, it is claimed.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/...ducation.books

The Arab slave trade: 200 million non-Muslim slaves from all colors and nationalities
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...l-skin-colors/

A million Europeans enslaved - Washington Times

The number of white European slaves is only a fraction of the trade that brought 10 million to 12 million black African slaves to the Americas over a 400-year period, historian Robert Davis says, but his research shows the slave trade was more widespread than commonly assumed. The impact on Europe’s white population was significant.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-115506-8528r/

When Europeans were slaves to Africans
http://blog.swaliafrica.com/when-eur...s-to-africans/

Those were Berbers, and some were even Europeans enslaving other Europeans for the Berber pirates. We only had African slaves, but they also had Arab slaves. The Arab slave trade had many differences from that of the Euro trans-atlantic slave trade, that some of them can actually be mobile and rise to high status actually. Ethiopians even raided Arabia for slaves. Let's not mention how Europeans before the rise of Islam would often venture into the red sea to capture lost Arabians or take many prisoner of wars as slaves to Europe.

[JohnSmith]

Those were Berbers, and some were even Europeans enslaving other Europeans for the Berber pirates. We only had African slaves, but they also had Arab slaves. The Arab slave trade had many differences from that of the Euro trans-atlantic slave trade, that some of them can actually be mobile and rise to high status actually. Ethiopians even raided Arabia for slaves. Let's not mention how Europeans before the rise of Islam would often venture into the red sea to capture lost Arabians or take many prisoner of wars as slaves to Europe.

I doubt that the Africans owned Arab slaves in the same numbers as the reverse. I really find it hard to believe that many African slaves were able to achieve high status in the Arab world when 9/10 of them were castrated as children.

In the USA it was common for Africans to achieve high status like Frederick Douglas.

[StonyArabia]

I doubt that the Africans owned Arab slaves in the same numbers as the reverse. I really find it hard to believe that many African slaves were able to achieve high status in the Arab world when 9/10 of them were castrated as children.

Before the rise of Islam, Ethiopians often raided Arabia for slaves, especially from Yemen. However after the rise of Islam, not so much. Some Arabs were indeed slaves to Africans but not to large degree. For example the king of Mali had Arab slaves. Well yes and no. The castration of Black African slaves is exaggerated, and it also happened to White slaves in North Africa btw. That said there have been people with slave ancestry in Arabia to have risen to high level status pre-Islamically Antar Bin Shadad, and Islamically like Zayd Bin Harth who was originally warrior, who died in battle against the Byzantines, and Al-Jahz a polymath and founder of modern day Zoology actually, and Bilal. That said if that's true then the Afro-Arab community would be mixed, but that's not the case, and plus many people from Africa came to Arabia as merchants and such, to say their just descendant of slaves it does not look at the factors. However the Omani empire did have African slaves, but most African slaves were emancipated long before. That said Europeans also had Arabian slaves especially Greeks and the Romans.

In the USA it was common for Africans to achieve high status like Frederick Douglas.

That's true, but they were not as mobile as within the Arabian or even North African world.

[JohnSmith]

Before the rise of Islam, Ethiopians often raided Arabia for slaves, especially from Yemen. However after the rise of Islam, not so much. Some Arabs were indeed slaves to Africans but not to large degree. For example the king of Mali had Arab slaves. Well yes and no. The castration of Black African slaves is exaggerated, and it also happened to White slaves in North Africa btw. That said there have been people with slave ancestry in Arabia to have risen to high level status pre-Islamically Antar Bin Shadad, and Islamically like Zayd Bin Harth who was originally warrior, who died in battle against the Byzantines, and Al-Jahz a polymath and founder of modern day Zoology actually, and Bilal. That said if that's true then the Afro-Arab community would be mixed, but that's not the case, and plus many people from Africa came to Arabia as merchants and such, to say their just descendant of slaves it does not look at the factors. However the Omani empire did have African slaves, but most African slaves were emancipated long before. That said Europeans also had Arabian slaves especially Greeks and the Romans.



That's true, but they were not as mobile as within the Arabian or even North African world.

Who cares about being mobile. Arabs today even have semi slavery with Somali worker's which are brutally beaten by Saudis. This is well known.

[JohnSmith]

This is still happening today Saudis are terrible people and I really think the USA needs to cut relations with this country.

[StonyArabia]

Who cares about being mobile. Arabs today even have semi slavery with Somali worker's which are brutally beaten by Saudis. This is well known.

Actually it's system that's the same in Western world. It has to do more with class than race for the most part. Somalis are usually well integrated there, but Ethiopians, Southeast Asians, South Asians are mistreated due to the fact they occupy low class positions, and even Arabs and Saudis themselves might be mistreated if they occupy low end jobs, not all Saudis are rich, and not all Arabs have it easy. Plus Saudis are not only Arabs, there is many different ethnic groups living there and who got naturalized eventually with the formation of the modern day state in 1932, they get treated usually as equals, this is especially true in the Hejaz, less so in the interior of the country which is still pretty Arabian.

In Canada there is this program called temporary foreign worker program, where the workers have much less rights, and it's borderline slavery, and they get paid much lower than the minimum wage, which lead to huge controversy, and where employers often abused the workers mostly from South Asia, Filipinos, and North Africa. Temporary in this case means years at least 5 years, and you are under the will of your employer and there has been a lot of debate and controversy about this program and the abuses that happen form it.

[JohnSmith]

Actually it's system that's the same in Western world. It has to do more with class than race for the most part. Somalis are usually well integrated there, but Ethiopians, Southeast Asians, South Asians are mistreated due to the fact they occupy low class positions, and even Arabs and Saudis themselves might be mistreated if they occupy low end jobs, not all Saudis are rich, and not all Arabs have it easy. Plus Saudis are not only Arabs, there is many different ethnic groups living there and who got naturalized eventually with the formation of the modern day state in 1932, they get treated usually as equals, this is especially true in the Hejaz, less so in the interior of the country which is still pretty Arabian.

In Canada there is this program called temporary foreign worker program, where the workers have much less rights, and it's borderline slavery, and they get paid much lower than the minimum wage, which lead to huge controversy, and where employers often abused the workers mostly from South Asia, Filipinos, and North Africa. Temporary in this case means years at least 5 years, and you are under the will of your employer and there has been a lot of debate and controversy about this program and the abuses that happen form it.

There is no way hell shit like this happens in the West. What you are trying to say is what I call a false equivalency. If you think Canadians treat workers like this you my friend are living in la la land.

Again the Saudi society probably creates a lot of sexual deprived men that act out aggressively. The Muslim world needs to reform. I believe in freedom for all people and I will not act like the fake liberals that turn a blind eye to this type of brutality and oppressive behavior.

[StonyArabia]

There is no way hell shit like this happens in the West. What you are trying to say is what I call a false equivalency. If you think Canadians treat workers like this you my friend are living in la la land.

Believe me it does happen, but on a lesser aggressive scale yes. That program is basically very close to slavery as some have commented on it. This why it was taken away, and now it got brought back.

Again the Saudi society probably creates a lot of sexual deprived men that act out aggressively. The Muslim world needs to reform. I believe in freedom for all people and I will not act like the fake liberals that turn a blind eye to this type of brutality and oppressive behavior.

I agree, that Saudi society needs reform, and so far it actually is progressing in it due to the Crown Prince policies, and before his father's and before that the King Abdullahs.

[JohnSmith]

Believe me it does happen, but on a lesser aggressive scale yes. That program is basically very close to slavery as some have commented on it. This why it was taken away, and now it got brought back.



I agree, that Saudi society needs reform, and so far it actually is progressing in it due to the Crown Prince policies, and before his father's and before that the King Abdullahs.

Workers in the West have a lot of ways of getting help if needed. You said yourself it is not the same by saying it is less aggressive on scale. You damn right about that.