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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Oase by Philip Edwin:

    Another reconstruction of the same specimen. 6% Neanderthal. And it is a recent hybrid. That nose is definitely after Neanderthal papa.




    This jaw comes belongs to a specimen that was 9% Neanderthal!


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    these early moderns look like a mix of native american and australian aborigine to me

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    With austrolid-like admix even better specimen:


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    At that time modern Caucasoids didn't exist yet. Since our European ancestors came from Africa, generally through Asia, it is not surprising that they had such phenotypes. And I cannot exclude that those paleoartists didn't take some "artistic liberties". Judging from some dinosaur reconstructions it seems they are prone to do that.

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    The Oberkassel was reconstructed and he looks like a typical English Borreby. They never did pull Y-DNA from the male skull to know if he was I1/I2 ,but he probably was. The female skull from the same grave was U5b1(mtdna)


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    Gerasimov's reconstruction of the Oberkassel man looks completely different (http://collection.kunstkamera.ru/en/entity/OBJECT/36356):


    "In 1914, an Upper Paleolithic (Magdalenian) double burial, that of a man and woman, dating to 13-14 thousand years before present, was discovered near Oberkassel, Germany. Mikhail Gerasimov used the casts of both crania for graphic reconstruction. Also, he undertook a sculptural reconstruction of the male's face. The individual died at the age of 45-50. There are no archaic features in his skull. According to Gerasimov, it is "very large, robust, and dolichocranic. The vault is high. The forehead is medium high and sloping... The supraorbital region is strong. The face is high and very wide, rather flattened, with extremely broad and robust cheekbones, narrowed forehead, and everted mandibular angles. The nose is high, narrow, and very protruding. The lower jaw is robust. The individual must have been very strong; no doubt he was handsome in a primitive way. This a typical Cromagnon". To better render the man's individual features, Gerasimov sculptured him without beard or moustache. As a result, he looks younger than his age suggests."

    According to this post, the Oberkassel man has higher bizygomatic width than cranial width (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...83#post5298083):

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    If someone is interested in actual metric data:
    Maximum cranial length (from glabella): 194mm
    Maximum cranial breadth (biparietal): 141mm
    Bizygomatic breadth: 152mm
    Upper facial height: 72mm
    Minimum frontal breadth: 98mm
    Basion-bregma height: 137mm
    Nasal height: 51mm
    Nasal breadth: 25mm
    Orbital breadth: 47mm
    Orbital height: 30mm

    Reconstruction by M.M. Gerasimov:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mopi View Post
    these early moderns look like a mix of native american and australian aborigine to me
    Yea, something like that. Btw, even before genetic era, some reconstructions showed Paleoeuropean people as Indian-like.
    On the another hand, C1 people have ties to some australoid-like people. So, something has to be in that.

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    Hehe, WHGeans in commercials!


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