Euroaboriginals - squarely faced cronegroaustraloids. C1 and I - how they could look...

[Linebacker]

Never was. I am just asking. It's simple answer, yes or no. And is quite important in the context of concluion which you have made.

So? Do you think ALL, 100% of mesolithic WHGans had blue eyes?

No, not 100% of WHG people had blue yes, just like not 100% had perfect square jaws.

But still - the earliest encounter with a person carrying genes for light eyes is of a WHG men. (La Brana 1, Loschbour)

[Rethel]

No, not 100% of WHG people had blue yes, just like not 100% had perfect square jaws.

Ok, so problem solved. He had not to have blue eyes and depiction is correct. No need for looking for error.

But still - the earliest encounter with a person carrying genes for light eyes is of a WHG man. (La Brana 1)

In the light of this what you have said above - irrelevant.

[Linebacker]

In the light of this what you have said above - irrelevant.

Its perfectly relevant - It means until another sample is discovered proving that blue eye genes existed in some population other than WHG, WHG people will be the oldest known carriers of the gene, and probably its original pioneers.

[Rethel]

Its perfectly relevant

How it is relevant to the fact, that guy is depicted with brown eyes, and you yourself have admited, that not all WHGeans had blue eyes?

It means until another sample is discovered proving that blue eye genes existed in some population other than WHG, WHG people will be the oldest known carriers of the gene, and probably its original pioneers.

[tipirneni]

The ancient C fro 60-80k YBP migration present among tribals and caste in South Asia looks more like Aboriginals whereas this square jaw is some kind of Holocene era Iran_N variant present among Dravidians and some Balouchis

[Petalpusher]

They weren't Africans, as the people who left Africa already likely had a large separation period from Sub-Saharan Africans, similarly to Bantus(although now it's looking like all Bantus could have significant Eurasian or "ancient North African" ancestry) vs Bushmen. However, I agree with Universe that they could've been "African-like". Remember Papuans, Aborigines/etc are Eurasian. I think he's right in that the very earliest Paleolithic Europeans aren't "Eurasian" or "West Eurasian" in the way people think they are.

As we go back further yeah they tend to genetically look more...just Eurasian, which isn't too surprising as ENA split wasn't as differentiated from West to East Eurasia yet but for sure those were not Africans:





That putative D pop seems to be the main contributor shared amongst all West Eurasian populations after OoA, and possibly representing some particular groups of Paleolithic Eurasians. I think this is a very good model, while B is your main basal Eurasian, and A the main ENA stream.


Besides, for sure WHG didn't get their blue eyes from EHG admix either.

Eastern hunter-gatherers (EHGs)
The Karelian individual presents high probabilities of being brown-eyed (0.99), and having a dark hair
(0.96).

Only in Samara you see that appear later in the eneolithic around 5000BC, but in proper European EHG like Karelians, they didn't seem to have picked up the high blue eyes frequency as early as WHG had, like 14Ky old Villabruna.

[Rethel]

Besides, for sure WHG didn't get their blue eyes from EHG admix either.

Yes, they did.
Cromags: lack of any ehg admix, lack of blue eyes.
WHGeans = CM+EHG: had blue eyes.

Now, make a logical conclusion.
Btw, I suggested it long time before I even knew, that WHG had EHG admix.

[Petalpusher]

Yes, they did.
Cromags: lack of any ehg admix, lack of blue eyes.
WHGeans = CM+EHG: had blue eyes.

Now, make a logical conclusion.
Btw, I suggested it long time before I even knew, that WHG had EHG admix.

What is cromag to you, Paleolithic? It's not like Eastern Paleolithics had blue eyes either. Mal'ta boy had brown eyes, nobody had blue eyes at that time.

Yet suddenly as old as 15K you have blue eyes in WHG, 7000 years later in EHG you don't have blue eyes. How complicated is that to understand EHG didn't mix with WHG to give them blue eyes? Furthermore SHG had blue eyes too and they are highly related to WHG's. If anything it's likley the other way, and for SHG clearly it is. They might have got lighter skin early due to EHG or something else, but blue eyes from WHG for sure.

The mutation for light eyes seems to have appeared around Caucasus, that doesn't tell much who picked it up and/or who selected it the strongest after paleolithic population movements in Eurasia. Even Satsurblia had brown eyes, though he s one of the first to carry some derived HERC2 allele, so here goes the trail of evidences.

Also again, not everything is the result of admixture, for groups living in the exact same era it often is due to admxiture, but considering larger time scales, it becomes less likely. Isolation and selection are doing most of the work. Mutations appear all the time, this is how life forms evolved since the dawn of time...random mutations, that populations are selecting positively, while some other don't, or less.

WHG probably thought it was "cool" to have light eyes when they saw it first, so liked partners with blue eyes increasingly. There you go, pretty much everybody had them after a while, at least a very high frequency of it. It likley doesn't go much beyond something that mundane. Maybe there s a slight advantage in low light environements but i don't think it was the main selection factor.

[Megadorian]

Jesus Christ you're fucking retarded, the greatest clown to ever sign up on this forun

[Rethel]

Jesus Christ you're f****ng r****ded

Why are you talking so badly in context or about the Son of God, our Lord and King? Repent!