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[epirot]

No retard. Arvanites are the only native population in Greece. They are the original population, from the Pelasgian until today. The rest of you are partially lost blood or just sporos from other races.

the original Greeks in Greece are only :

- TSAKONES from LAKONIA
- CRETANS and south Islanders

All you vlahalbs came after 1050 AD.

They were brought by the romans (arbeler calls them byzantines) to kill the TRUE greek spirit.

[catgeorge]

I dont get the story with Sarakatsani. Smells like another hoax.

Fact 1 : Example : My Uncle is a famous Doctor of Giannena, who formally has no connections to anything Sarakatsan or Vlah, a child of the city. When Kapsalis the Dean of UoI published a book with songs of Sarakatsani, reading it to my Uncle, he could understand EVERY WORD (bela, laia, etc...), So their language is the typical village language of greko-phone mainland greece

Fact 2 : They identify themselves in more than 70% of the published songs as VLAHS

Fact 3 : Their music is 100% Typical music from Arta/Lamia/Karditsa. And of course pretty close to Metsovo, Giannena, North Ipiros, Grevena, etc. Also very close to the arbanian - tsamiko of Thiva, Attiki. And of course almost identical to Vlah music of western macedonia. Costumes the same. Dances the same.

So what's the deal here? Are we talking about some 100,000s? Or are we talking about the whole mainland Greece?

Personally I think that Arvanites, Sarakatsani, Vlahi are one single nation, with precise characteristics. They sure are not autochthonous, just like Albs are not autochthonous in Kosovo.

Well everyone is free to believe what they like.

But one thing is for sure Sarakatsani do not speak any Latin idioms. Just mountain pastrorialist nomads that stick together I believe there are at least 200,000 people that identify themselves as Sarakatsani which isn't much. The cro magnon skull structures of Sarakatsani puts them pre-autochtonous in the area. You are stuck in AD -- the high percentage of cro magnons amongst Sarakatsani is at least 10,000 year old people in the area..

[Laberia]

the original Greeks in Greece are only :

- TSAKONES from LAKONIA
- CRETANS and south Islanders

All you vlahalbs came after 1050 AD.

They were brought by the romans (arbeler calls them byzantines) to kill the TRUE greek spirit.

There are different theories about Tsakones. They are mentioned for example as a military unit arrived from Macedonia. There are scholars who support some kind of connection between tsakonian dialect and Albanian language. There are many other theories. The most accepted is what you said, an native population. But Tsakones are a small group.
Cretans and the islands are a mix of every kind of populations. When you deal with history, the first thing to take in consideration is geography, not BS like DNA, etc.
About Vlachs and Albanians, what you say, is the official theory. Vlachs are a very complicated case with influx of many populations, a bit of everything.
Albanians are descendant of Illyrians, including in Illyrians and the tribes of Epir. If there is one constant in the movement of people in the Balkans, is this migratory flow from current Albania, especially from the South to Greece. Is a registered movement since the time immemorial. There is a theory that the Albanians are connected with the Pelasgians. There is a theory that sees the Albanian connected with the greek, the theory that the same Arvanites have, for example Kola. There is a theory that Macedonians were Illyrian tribes. The Internet is full of these things, but there are many serious scholars who support this theories. What we know for sure is that this movement predate the ancient greeks and Illyrians. What we know for sure is that Illyrian tribes settled in Thessaly, or that ancient greeks build even a gate to stop this invasions of this barbar tribes from Epir.
We have few informations what happened during and after the invasion of barbars and slavic tribes from East. But there are signs that existed an migration of Albanians from Epir in Greece even during the VII century. There is an theory of Sathas, non supported by the main stream of historians, but not without support from some other historians that Albanians arrived in Greece during the IV century. He said that in Cyprus in IV century was an Albanian colony and the island was ruled by an elite of Albanians.
The official history support your theory, Albanians arrived at the beggining of second millennia. And we know that only in the last 27 years around one million Albanians are settled in Greece.
Your theory about greek spirit, arbeler, etc, i am sorry but it's a BS. Byzantines called Albanians, Illyrians.
Once curious piece of information is preserved in the funeral oration of Theodor Palaeologus, the successor of Cantacuzene in Mistra (1380-1407), that shows just how continuously and massively the Albanians flooded across the isthmus: “Ten thousand Illyrians, i.e. Albanians, were given residence in the Peloponnese by Theodor Palaeologus, and these ten thousand men brought their women and children, their possessions and animals with them.”
Ancient greeks disappeared when accursed people, the slavs invaded Greece.

[catgeorge]

Your theory about greek spirit, arbeler, etc, i am sorry but it's a BS. Byzantines called Albanians, Illyrians.
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I like a joke as much as the next person. FYI- Illyrians vanished from literature after Bellum Batonianum war with Rome in 9 AD - Illyrians were either slaughtered, sold into slavery or fled the area

[Laberia]

I like a joke as much as the next person. FYI- Illyrians vanished from literature after Bellum Batonianum war with Rome in 9 AD - Illyrians were either slaughtered, sold into slavery or fled the area

No, the last time that Illyrians are mentioned was in The Miracles of Saint Demetrius. The rest of your post is a typical BS of cuck without life, as usually.

[Laberia]

I dont get the story with Sarakatsani. Smells like another hoax.

Fact 1 : Example : My Uncle is a famous Doctor of Giannena, who formally has no connections to anything Sarakatsan or Vlah, a child of the city. When Kapsalis the Dean of UoI published a book with songs of Sarakatsani, reading it to my Uncle, he could understand EVERY WORD (bela, laia, etc...), So their language is the typical village language of greko-phone mainland greece

Fact 2 : They identify themselves in more than 70% of the published songs as VLAHS

Fact 3 : Their music is 100% Typical music from Arta/Lamia/Karditsa. And of course pretty close to Metsovo, Giannena, North Ipiros, Grevena, etc. Also very close to the arbanian - tsamiko of Thiva, Attiki. And of course almost identical to Vlah music of western macedonia. Costumes the same. Dances the same.

So what's the deal here? Are we talking about some 100,000s? Or are we talking about the whole mainland Greece?

Personally I think that Arvanites, Sarakatsani, Vlahi are one single nation, with precise characteristics. They sure are not autochthonous, just like Albs are not autochthonous in Kosovo.

Albanians are autocthonus in Kosova. If you want, you can open a separate thread to discuss about this topic. The invitation is valid for everyone who thinks he knows something about the subject.

[catgeorge]

No, the last time that Illyrians are mentioned was in The Miracles of Saint Demetrius. The rest of your post is a typical BS of cuck without life, as usually.

Why are you such a zealot - Epiros is not part of Illyria. Thracians and Illyians became extinct - they were both dumb and weak.

[Laberia]

Why are you such a zealot - Epiros is not part of Illyria. Thracians and Illyians became extinct - they were both dumb and weak.

Cry bitch.