I2a1b-"Din" - Slavic or Paleolithic Balkan?

**cosmoo** · 03-05-2017, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Guindé

slavicised VisiGothic

More like East Germanic in general sense.
Def. not originally Slavic.

**~~Herr Abubu~~** · 03-05-2017, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Guindé

slavicised VisiGothic

Wouldn't it be Ostrogothic?

Ülev · 03-05-2017, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Wouldn't it be Ostrogothic?

everything but not Slavic

**~~Dema~~** · 03-05-2017, 08:50 PM

Even Serbs on their project agree that was brought by Slavs on Balkan

**Wrong** · 03-05-2017, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by IceT

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**~~Leopard~~** · 03-05-2017, 08:55 PM

How about both.
I mean, there is absolutely zero proof of this "slavic migration" whatsoever.

Ülev · 03-05-2017, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dema

Even Serbs on their project agree that was brought by Slavs on Balkan

this is because they lived with Slavs and slavicised their language before came to other places, Slavs use word ogień/ohen etc for fire, Croats say vatra and their national football team is called "vatreni" = flaming/fiery, and their vocabulary has common words with old-Avestan language

**~~Dema~~** · 03-05-2017, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Leopard

How about both.
I mean, there is absolutely zero proof of this "slavic migration" whatsoever.

Are you crazy, every medieval document Greek and Roman describes Slavs coming on Balkan.

Originally Posted by Guindé

this is because they lived with Slavs and slavicised their language before came to other places, Slavs use word ogień/ohen etc for fire, Croats say vatra and their national football team is called "vatreni" = flaming/fiery, and their vocabulary has common words with old-Avestan language

Yes I2a1 were not originally Slavs, we all know that. They were Slavicized behind Carpathian mountains by R1a carriers.
What we are saying here is they arrived as Slavs in Balkan, when Slavic migrations took place 6th and 7th century.

**cosmoo** · 03-05-2017, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Dema

Even Serbs on their project agree that was brought by Slavs on Balkan

They also agree it wasn't originally Slavic. They consider Bastarnae to be most probable pre-Slavicization bearers of it.
Also, as I have often explained before, it was most probably linguistically Slavicized a bit after arrival to Balkans.

**~~Dema~~** · 03-05-2017, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by cosmoo

They also agree it wasn't originally Slavic. They consider Bastarnae to be most probable pre-Slavicization bearers of it.
Also, as I have often explained before, it was most probably linguistically Slavicized a bit after arrival to Balkans.

Yes it was not originally Slavic as you can see that i agree with that on my previous post but i think there is no chance that I2a1b arrived as anything here but as a fully Slavic and Slavicized people.
Your theory of Slavicization on Balkan is really hard to swallow. We already discussed this i remember.