Types of Civilizations

[Radojica]

Well, the civilization that sent the Message would be mere upstarts, somewhere between Levels 2 and 3.

However, the postcript of the book by Carl Sagan makes references to two other civilizations, that the civilization that sent the Message were aware of: the builders of the wormhole system, definitely at least Level 3, possibly beyond; and the creator(s) of the universe itself, obviously Level 6-7.

I want to be born again in some 100.000 years and see some aliens, visit them in some neighboring galaxy, get wasted with them and taste alien chicks

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Stygian Cellarius
So we can assume that it takes intelligent life about 4 billion years to develop Type 0 technology.

Could be a bit to Newtonian in method, if a certain event hadn’t happened in the Yucatan 65 million years ago…..intelligence may well have arrived sooner, intelligence is the important part not that it arose in sex obsessed monkeys who threw rocks at monkeys in the other tree.

Of course that’s assuming such things as asteroid impacts are entirely random, some speculate they occur reasonably often and a bigey is due well sometime in the next couple of centuries……..maybe cockroaches will build ships and expand into the universe.

[Radojica]

……..maybe cockroaches will build ships and expand into the universe.

Something like this ?

[Vasconcelos]

I want to play Starcraft II now.

[Stygian Cellarius]

So we can assume that it takes intelligent life about 4 billion years to develop Type 0 technology.

Could be a bit to Newtonian in method, if a certain event hadn’t happened in the Yucatan 65 million years ago…..intelligence may well have arrived sooner, intelligence is the important part not that it arose in sex obsessed monkeys who threw rocks at monkeys in the other tree.

Okay, that puts us at ~3.935 Billion years, plus consciousness/type-0 tech development time. Which at its earliest, lands us still at about 4 Billion years. This little exercise only strengthens my assumption in a ~4 Billion year cycle for the development of consciousness and consequently, culture.

Of course that’s assuming such things as asteroid impacts are entirely random, some speculate they occur reasonably often and a bigey is due well sometime in the next couple of centuries

I would guess that it's largely dependent on the location of Gas Giants and a star-systems asteroid belt relative to the bioplanet. I would also guess that there is much diversity of arrangement. With chance-arrangement being thrown off a little by different probabilities of say, Gas giants forming in the middle and outer star-system due to gravity and the laws of physics, i.a.

……..maybe cockroaches will build ships and expand into the universe.

Cockroaches occupy an optimum evolutionary station, thus obviating further modification and decreasing their probability of significant developments.

[Liffrea]

Originally Posted by Stygian Cellarius
Okay, that puts us at ~3.935 Billion years, plus consciousness/type-0 tech development time. Which at its earliest, lands us still at about 4 Billion years. This little exercise only strengthens my assumption in a ~4 Billion year cycle for the development of consciousness and consequently, culture.

Well it didn’t necessarily have to be dinosaurs, intelligence does seem convergent, depending of course on what your criteria for “intelligence” is but surely it is a universal and not parochial. For all we actually know a race of dinosaurs developed the ability to travel off earth before they were obliterated, it is 99.999999999999999999999999% certain that this didn’t happen but we can’t say with certainty how many times intelligence has arisen on the earth. Humans, after all, are here by chance, life seems to have an “arrow” towards more complex forms of life (so intelligence of some kind may well be almost guaranteed) but if it wasn’t humans here presumably it would be something else.

I appreciate the method and, given what we actually know, it is reasonable, but I wonder if we are sometimes slipping to easily into assumption about how life develops and “when” certain aspects turn up.

I would guess that it's largely dependent on the location of Gas Giants and a star-systems asteroid belt relative to the bioplanet. I would also guess that there is much diversity of arrangement. With chance-arrangement being thrown off a little by different probabilities of say, Gas giants forming in the middle and outer star-system due to gravity and the laws of physics, i.a.

It has been estimated that it takes roughly 3 million years for a comet to move out of the Ooort cloud and into the Sol system, roughly every 100,000 years one of these enters an earth crossing orbit with an associated asteroid stream about once every millennium.

Cockroaches occupy an optimum evolutionary station, thus obviating further modification and decreasing their probability of significant developments.

That’s probably so….at present, cockroaches were just an example, but if the environment undergoes significant changes due to warming or the planet being smacked by a ten mile wide rock who knows what conditions might prevail and what will suddenly come into its element? Chances are it will still be us here anyway, humans are incredibly adaptive, by 2200 what passes for “human” will probably be far removed from what we know. We're fast moving away from slow evolution and extelligence will mean more to humanity than intelligence in the future.