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    Quote Originally Posted by revealman View Post
    in fact all our current problems would be minimized to greater extent if humans would follow religious teachings of brotherhood and compassion and treat others as themselves!
    I believe in God in my own way, I strongly believe, means Im not Atheist, but I dont believe in God trough any of religions neither.

    And while I agree with you about this if ppl would follow religious teachings they would be good, we have a problem here, in this word; RELIGIONS, It's PLURAL.

    You cannot expect from religions to respect each others in the long run, conflict will come sooner or later, either direct conflict or theological/philosophical conflict.

    Not spiritual conflict, because I dont think those religions have anything spiritual as insitutions, rock on Mars is more spiritual than them.

    I do respect person who follow some religion and do not place his/her religions above others, and not having any stereotypes about others, but you know very well such religious ppl are rare, they're not majority amongst their group.

    Quote Originally Posted by revealman View Post
    most problems humanity face and has faced since we emerged (nowdays and in the past/ history) are/were caused by materialistic/darwinistic/naturalistic thinking and behaviour! greed, territorial behaviour, inequality and oppression are caused by the "might is right" aka "stronger survives" mindset!
    No no, I don't agree with you about this. Human problems became obvious IMO in Eneolithic period (4500-4000 BC), and this has nothing to do with Darwinism. In that period humanity discovered first metal, copper, and in that period first Economy appeared, and human nature as such revealed itself what it is truly, in majority of ppl.

    Till Eneolithic, ppl lived in community, shared wealth as much as they could, but in Eneolithic trade/economy started, hierarchy appeared, and by default of humanity mindset; monopoly on knowledge.

    Means, in Eneolithic if individual would know how to make a copper AXE or copper tool, he wouldn't share that knowledge, but he would trade that AXE or tool for 20 or 100 sheeps, while still possessing knowledge how to make more copper AXES and tools, but why would he share such knowledge with rest of ppl? He is greedy bastard, so he wants it all, nevermind he didnt discovered copper, but he will use it for greedy nature of his.

    And btw, as species, we didn't evolved much in mindset since Eneolithic, I would say we stayed exactly the same as that person who knew how to make copper AXE & tools and trade it for 100 sheeps.

    Core of human economy and trade, from dawn of Human economy was A GREED, even destruction of others if necessary in his/her goal.


    Quote Originally Posted by revealman View Post
    religion teaches us to be less selfish, fair and generous
    If someone cannot teach him/herself of moral and how to be fair and generous, then there is no religion or institution which can make you learn this things, religions can only teach ppl how to act they are like that, but under the surface, majority of them are hypocritical monsters.

    I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.

    Religions don't have any credits anymore what so ever, NONE. I don't care if some Christians or Muslim or Hindu etc comes here and says to me; "those who killed others in the name of our religion are not us", or really? So who the Hell are you then? It seems to me that the only constat of all religions was exactly that; killing in the name of your religion and then making excuses for those who did it, well screw that..., I don't have time to wait for religion mumbo jumbo about perfect age of their religion which will NEVER come, they themselves are making sure of that.


    Quote Originally Posted by revealman View Post
    materialism/darwinism teaches us to be more selfish, greedy and competitive


    Omg... , anyway... I already explained to you how everythin started and it has nothing to do with Darwinism.
    Last edited by Robocop; 03-20-2017 at 10:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giovanni Lanza View Post


    dominated by Americans South Korea is still much better than dominated by Soviet ideology North Korea
    have you seen the rates of alcoholism and scuicide in south korea?

    by the way north korea is the most atheist country on the planet so it disproves the theory of colonel frank, that atheist countries have better standard of living and are more peaceful..

    as far a s i know inhabitants of usa are still christians by majority not atheists

    and i also know in the past america had a lower crime rate than nowdays, in those times majority of americans lived in christian communities. nowdays secular atheism is making a mess in the country.. money and materialism became the new religion, everyone worships money so the crime rates went up cause everyone wants his piece of cake.. same goes for western europe

    or you want to tell me seriously that the switch from traditional christian values to secular atheism improved our society?

    just look at this: https://i.imgur.com/4rOFxGX.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    I believe in God in my own way, I strongly believe, means Im not Atheist, but I dont believe in God trough any of religions neither.

    And while I agree with you about this if ppl would follow religious teachings they would be good, we have a problem here, in this word; RELIGIONS, It's PLURAL.

    You cannot expect from religions to respect each others in the long run, conflict will come sooner or later, either direct conflict or theological/philosophical conflict.

    Not spiritual conflict, because I dont think those religions have anything spiritual as insitutions, rock on Mars is more spiritual than them.

    I do respect person who follow some religion and do not place his/her religions above others, and not having any stereotypes about others, but you know very well such religious ppl are rare, they're not majority amongst their group.



    No no, I don't agree with you about this. Human problems became obvious IMO in Eneolithic period (4500-4000 BC), and this has nothing to do with Darwinism. In that period humanity discovered first metal, copper, and in that period first Economy appeared, and human nature as such revealed itself what it is truly, in majority of ppl.

    Untill Eneolithic, ppl lived in community, shared wealth as much as they could, but in Eneolithic trade/economy started, hierarchy appeared, and by default of humanity mindset; monopoly on knowledge.

    Means, in Eneolithic if individual would know how to make a copper AXE or copper tool, he wouldn't share that knowledge, but he would trade that AXE or tool for 20 or 100 sheeps, while still possessing knowledge how to make more copper AXES and tools, but why would he share such knowledge with rest of ppl? He is greedy bastard, so he wants it all, nevermind he didnt discovered copper, but he will use it for greedy nature of his.

    And btw, as species, we didn't evolved much in mindset since Eneolithic, I would say we stayed exactly the same as that person who knew how to make copper AXE & tools and trade it for 100 sheeps.

    Core of human economy and trade, from dawn of Human economy was A GREED, even destruction of others if necessary in his/her goal.




    If someone cannot teach him/herself of moral and how to be fair and generous, then there is no religion or institution which can make you learn this things, religions can only teach ppl how to act they are like that, but under the surface, majority of them are hypocritical monsters.

    I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.

    Religions don't have any credits anymore what so ever, NONE. I don't care if some Christians or Muslim or Hindu etc comes here and says to me; "those who killed others in the name of our religion is not us", or really? So who the Hell are you then? It seems to me that the only constat of all religions was exactly that; killing in the name of your religion and then making excuses for those who did it, well screw that..., I don't have time to wait for religion mumbo jumbo about perfect age of their religion which will NEVER come, they themselves are making sure of that.






    Omg... , anyway... I already explained to you how everythin started and it has nothing to do with Darwinism.
    you say basically the same i stated here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ot-of-all-evil

    ps. you cannot eliminate judgement because it is a fucntion of the human mind, judgements lead to conflict.. since judgement is a part of human mind, judgement leads to conflicts, it will not be eliminated by abandonment of religions alone.. human beings will always find a way to separate themselves and create conflict based on class, status, looks, behaviour, race, ethnicity etc..

    the purpose of philosophy and religion has always been to unite us not to divide us.

    different cultures also create conflict, so you want eliminate them too?

    i smell communism..

    ps, a virtuous and noble human being has no problems accepting any kind of culture and religion as long as they accept his way of life.. it is all about the character of a human being how he gets along with different people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post

    I dont support Communism, but think about this; Christianity had 2000 years (and Islam 1400) to make humans better, are they even close? NO!, In fact they just made more fuel for human hypocrisy. And those same religions felt threaten from ideas of Marx and Engels, and I dont support Communism, don't get me wrong, but interesting how they felt threatened with one ideology 80 years old about society in comparison to their 2000/1400 years of chances to make that same society better, but they made A HELL OUT OF IT.
    This age comparison for Christianity and Islam is redundant and waste of time since shitslam was founded on subhuman principles by subhuman. I won't argue did Christianity made world as a whole better or worse place, but for the sake of the argument lets assume that Christianity made the world a worse place to be. If you have wars, killings or whatever on your mind obviously this was only done in the name of Christianity because as you put it people are scum. Christianity itself is not guilty of it per se. It onyll bears a guilt because of its existence and being a 'tool' used by people which you describe as natural born scums.

    Now about your comparison with communism. Or better yet let me at first put it in the same basket as Christianity so you get a picture, as a tool. Marx according to one view (the prevalent one) did not advocate totalitarianism, but that totalitarian communism came with Lenin. So what did people do with Marx views? Yes, they created a totalitarian non-democratic countries responsible for many deaths. Now, if Marx was directly responsible for communism the world had come to know (meaning he advocated totalitarianism) how the fuck can you put it next to Christianity? Would you not think that you are going back in circles with what is meant to be good and what is meant to be bad?

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    i agree

    religion is always misused as an excuse, a tool for starting wars and conquests, it is not religious fault per se

    it is the same as the supposed "war on terror" which is nothing but war for oil and world power but sheeple think usa and nato are fighting terror and islam..

    human greed is the main source of all wars and conflicts

    do unto others as you wish them to do unto you shall be the law..

    but sadly most humans use the satanic "do what you willt" as their law

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    The social structure envisaged by Darwinism needs to be accurately identified. Like all other materialist theories, Social Darwinism, maintaining that people are selfish creatures who live solely for their own interests, responsible solely to themselves, can never bring proper moral values and happiness to individuals or to society as a whole. In order to acquire proper moral values and happiness, a person needs to abandon selfish desires. Religious moral values, as commanded by our Lord, teach people how this will be.

    If people have faith in God's commandments, then they will feel compassion and affection towards others.

    Those who love and fear God and obey His commandments, see other people as beings He created, and make no distinctions between them on grounds of race, nation, skin color or language. In every human being, they see beauty created by God, and take pleasure in that beauty. Their faith makes them loving, compassionate and protective. However, someone brainwashed by Darwinism's falsehoods looks down on other races and nations, feels justified in oppressing and even eradicating them, and spreads nothing but tension, unhappiness and fear. The racism and imperialism witnessed in the 19th and 20th centuries are the result of this Darwinist world view.
    http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3...m/chapter/5126

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    Based on various lines of evidence, not limited to the conceptual error that 200,000 years ago, newly-minted Homo sapiens were modern social humans, I see an important problem. Modern social behavior is the result of 10 – 15,000 years of domestication and urbanization, of humans moving into agricultural zones, creating dense clusters of settlements, which of necessity required selection for obedience, magical thinking, and compliant personalities, and if you didn’t fit in, you were run off or eliminated. Homo sapiens self-domesticated using the same methods that were successful in redesigning the few animal species that could be domesticated. The result was Homo sapiens sapiens, or modern social humans.

    Selection for juvenile traits, especially in females, which are linked to both behavior and physical appearance, resulted in increased fertility, tolerance of being ‘handled’ and living in close quarters, and shorter, not longer, life spans due to slavery, violence, overwork, poor nutrition and the easy spread of viral and bacterial infections and degradation of the environment – critically the pollution of water sources. The study of Archaeology is crowded with failure: “advanced” urban and agricultural “empires” that had to be abandoned, with a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle or partial agricultural (slash and burn subsistence) that remains to this day and continues to destroy tropical forests.

    I find it quite unbelievable that 10,000 years of technical invention and the accumulation of Culture, which modern humans depend on, and indeed could not survive without, can be utterly ignored as a significant definition of Homo sapiens sapiens. Individuals today can literally spend their lives sitting on a couch in front of a TV, and be supplied food, clothing, shelter, energy and entertainment by other humans, often thousands of miles distant, who are essentially captive prey who live in dreadful conditions.

    No wild human lived like this. Each individual had to be intelligent, curious, and a fast learner, and to shoulder the responsibilities of adulthood. Wild humans had to be continuously aware of the total environment, and be prepared to act instantly when challenged by danger and opportunity. Everyone had a job and shared the work of survival. Modern social humans would utterly fail to measure up.

    As populations diverged into two types, agricultural – urban, and nomadic hunter – gatherer, the behavior of urban humans became more aggressively hierarchical and steeply stratified into predator and prey classes. Expansion became an inevitable response to inadequate food supplies and growing population. It’s still “Good to be Pharaoh” whether or not one lives in a quasi democracy or worships the “worst males” Dictators, Gods, Popes or Wall Street crooks; the top of the social hierarchy writes the rules.
    What did happen to Wild Humans?

    Modern humans exterminated them, not 100,000, 50,000 or 20,000 years ago, but during recent history, and are still using capitalism, colonialism, religionism, environmental destruction, war-mongering, starvation, cultural aggression, and species extermination – scorched earth policies, to eliminate any and all competition.
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    Before Darwin wrote his book, people didn't do anything bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimage View Post
    Before Darwin wrote his book, people didn't do anything bad?
    we were discussing this question already, read from page 1.

    ps. naturalism was here long before darwin wrote his hypothesis, but his hypothesis is based on naturalism and naturalism spread to our school system and society through darwinism.. this is why i say darwinism is responsible
    for materialistic/selfish/nihilistic thinking..

    of course humans have done evil long before darwin emerged, but their animosity towards each other was mainly caused by tribalism, territoriality, racism, might is right etc. which are all based on naturalism. the same philosophy darwin held on to. us versus them, instead of we the poeple. separateness versus unity. religions tried to unify people, while naturalism divides us according to race, ethnicity, status, looks, jobs, talents, fitness etc..

    naturalism is the root of social darwinism, social darwinists have no morality or conscience. they follow philosophy of stronger eats weaker..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    and atheism doesnt preach anything, it is simply not having a religion.
    The problem is religious mindset. I know people who are religious but do not have religious mindsets. I also know atheists who have religious mindsets. These atheists are religious in their fervour - as if they "converted to atheism", which is a substitute or a surrogate of religion for them.

    Sadly Colonel Frank Grimes counts as an atheist with a religious mindset to me. Another atheist with a religious mindset on TA, in my opinion, is that "T-something" guy (I can't spell it from memory) with a turtle in his avatar. And one of Albanian users is like this as well.

    Even if all religions disappeared, all of these people with religious mindsets would still exist. So nothing would change in fact. By the way "simply not having a religion" includes more than just atheists. It includes also agnostics, deists, and many theists.

    I would even argue that atheism is more complex than just "simply" not having a religion.
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