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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Arnau View Post
    Let's see...

    Geographically? They're Catalans.
    Ethnolinguistically? 99% of the nationals are Catalan. More than 20% of the "foreign" population is Catalan too.
    Officially? The only language used for all purposes is Catalan. Domestically and internationally.
    Culturally? They're Catalan. Folklore, cuisine...
    Legally? Their institutions are based on the Catalan Law.
    Religiously? The whole country is part of the Catalan Diocese of Urgell.
    Historically? They were in origin part of the County of Urgell, what is the same as saying Western Catalonia, since Old Catalonia was born mainly from the union of Urgell (West Catalonia) with Barcelona (East Catalonia).
    Politically? They've always been ruled by the Bishop of the Catalan Diocese of Urgell and the Heirs of the County of Foix, originally Occitan and very related to Catalonia (the flag of Foix was the 4 Catalan bars too).
    Socially? Their relationship with this side of the Pyrenees is obvious --not with the northern French part. Most Andorrans go to work/study in Catalonia rather than to any other surrounding territory, and that's for a reason.

    So saying they're not Catalan is, well, 'pissing outside the flowerpot', as we say in Catalan. I don't think more comments are needed on this.
    Yeah, you forgot a very important thing : is that they don't consider themselves Catalan. And altough the official language is catalan, it is only spoken by one third of the population. But well, dreaming is free...Im not denying that Andorra is related to Catalonia, but to call it a catalan nation is just playing the little emperor, and it's not accurate fact, besides it is also closely related with France and Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    Yeah, you forgot a very important thing : is that they don't consider themselves Catalan.
    They don't consider themselves Catalonian, that is, from the political territory called Catalonia. But they're ethnically Catalan, they cannot consider themselves anything else unless they're lying themselves. Calling themselves Andorrans is just like someone from Minorca saying he's Minorcan or someone from Tortosa saying he's from the Terres de l'Ebre, using political instead of ethnic terms for identification. Like Austrians saying they're not Germans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    And altough the official language is catalan, it is only spoken by one third of the population.
    I've already commented on this and written the last statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia View Post
    Im not denying that Andorra is related to Catalonia, but to call it a catalan nation is just playing the little emperor, and it's not accurate fact, besides it is also closely related with France and Spain.
    Little Emperor? Lol. They can keep on being an independent tiny country forever and ever. The name 'Catalan Countries' was precisely coined as a recognition of the independence and peculiarity of each Catalan-speaking territory.

    As for their close relationship with Castile and Paris... nah, they're too far. The only connection comes via the language, TVs and tourism.
    < La Catalogne peut se passer de l'univers entier, et ses voisins ne peuvent se passer d'elle. > Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbis View Post
    Countries? lol.
    The notion of pays/pais can't really be translated in English.

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    Francia es el país jacobino por excelencia donde se ha tratado siempre de eliminar cualquier tipo de particularidad del Estado y hacer todo girar en torno a París
    Centralism widely predates the Republic. "Jacobinism" is just a mythical notion used by idiots for whatever they don't like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Monastery of Sant Pere de Rodes
    Most important place in Catalonia, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Politically? They've always been ruled by the Bishop of the Catalan Diocese of Urgell and the Heirs of the County of Foix, originally Occitan and very related to Catalonia (the flag of Foix was the 4 Catalan bars too).
    I Catalan nao !



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    Quote Originally Posted by Comte Arnau View Post
    Andorra
    The only Catalan territory that is a sovereign state.

    Do Catalonians have territorial aspirations towards France?

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    I love Catalunya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shkembe Chorba View Post
    Do Catalonians have territorial aspirations towards France?
    Those who consider the whole Catalan Countries should constitute parts of one single sovereign state certainly do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shkembe Chorba View Post
    Do Catalonians have territorial aspirations towards France?
    Well, they can try

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    Interesting.
    Last edited by Rafael Passoni; 08-22-2021 at 09:26 AM.

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    "Països Catalans", otra gilipollez más que incluso suplanta a lo que fue real: La Corona de Aragón.

    Venga.

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